Fade Problem on Events...

jrazz wrote on 10/21/2006, 6:59 PM
When you place your pointer at the edge of an event at the point where the opacity level is an arc icon appears and if you click and drag, it will cause the fade at the end of the clip to be elongated. Okay- it has been that way for several versions now if not all right?
Here is my problem in Vegas 7b. On some events I cannot get the arc icon to appear so I can adjust the edge. I also notice that on the events I can alter the fade, if I drag it to some point further on the event and let go and click the edge of the fade on the event and attempt to move it, the fade dissappears and the event is shortened as I am dragging.
Is anyone else experiencing this issue?

j razz

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Grazie wrote on 10/22/2006, 12:30 AM
When you place your pointer at the edge of an event at the point where the opacity level is an arc icon appears and if you click and drag, it will cause the fade at the end of the clip to be elongated.

Yup, got that.

Okay- it has been that way for several versions now

I don't understand that part: if not all right : what do you mean .. ?

Anyways . .

On some events I cannot get the arc icon to appear so I can adjust the edge. what are these "events" something different to the norm?

I also notice that on the events I can alter the fade, if I drag it to some point further on the event and let go and click the edge of the fade on the event and attempt to move it, the fade dissappears and the event is shortened as I am dragging.

Please explain a wee bit more? At the moment, from how I've interpreted your words here, I can't re-pro what you are saying and getting an issue. I try again with what you tell me.

Is anyone else experiencing this issue?

In which case - I dunno?

bStro wrote on 10/22/2006, 7:21 AM
At first look, jrazz, what you're describing sounds like you're dealing with really short events -- or at least ones that are shorter than events that aren't giving you these issues. The fade arc cursor doesn't appear because it needs enough room to display just over the selected event -- events that "appear" too short won't display it. As for your other problem, the "move" cursor only appears if you can get the mouse well situated between the events edges, which can also be diffcult if the event's width doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room. Sounds like you're getting the trim cursor, which doesn't care how long the event is.

If this is the case, zooming in on the timeline should fix that right up. Next to the lower scroll bar is a plus sign -- click that a few (or many) times so you have more visible area to work with. Or drag the edge of the scrollbar shorter.

If this is not the case, I got nothin'.

Rob
Tim L wrote on 10/22/2006, 9:47 AM
On some events I cannot get the arc icon to appear so I can adjust the edge.

If you have the opacity level of the event pulled down, you need to place the cursor at the end of the clip at the opacity line to get the arc -- not necessarily the top corner of the event.

Tim L

Edit -- what I said above is not really true... see below.
jrazz wrote on 10/22/2006, 10:43 AM
Okay- it has been that way for several versions now if not all right?

All I was saying their was that I thought all versions of vegas probably had this feature and I know the last couple did.

On some events I cannot get the arc icon to appear so I can adjust the edge. what are these "events" something different to the norm?
Grazie, I cannot get this to reproduce everytime. I know that it is a systemic issue as I must be doing something sometimes and not others. But, this is still an issue as I never experienced this before.
Imagine with me if you will, you are dragging the arc to extend the fade. You drag it to cover 1 second of time and then you think, oh, that was supposed to be 1.07 instead of 1.00. So you click to drag and the arc dissappears and if you still have the mouse button held down and move to the left or right the event extends or retracts. That is what I am experiencing occassionally.

j razz
jrazz wrote on 10/22/2006, 10:47 AM
Rob,

These are not short clips. I wish they were and I wish that by me zooming in on the timeline that it would take care of it. I have found a work around though. It appears that the clips are somehow overlapping when they are butressed against one another (even when the it clearly shows there is no overlap). If I put a little space in between the two events and then add the fade all is well, with the exception of somtimes when I butress them back together with no overlap, the clip I am butressing the other up against loses its arc and I have to redo it.
I found this out by fiddling.

j razz
jrazz wrote on 10/22/2006, 10:49 AM
Tim, I tried moving the opacity in hopes of getting the icon to appear last night to no avail. I even zoomed in to as far as vegas would let me and nothing save the work around I just posted above.

Surely someone else is experiencing this right? I can't be the only one.

j razz
Tim L wrote on 10/22/2006, 8:35 PM
"If you have the opacity level of the event pulled down, you need to place the cursor at the end of the clip at the opacity line to get the arc -- not necessarily the top corner of the event."

Okay, I guess my statement above is not really true. Sorry to add to the confusion! But here is the situation I was remembering.

If you have no fade at the end of an event, Vegas shows the upper corner as a little blue triangle. You can always grab this to create a fade.

However, if you already have a really short fade -- especially the kind you automatically get with audio events when you split a clip -- the fade line and the end of the event may be almost the same vertical line, if you haved zoomed out on the timeline. Vegas shows this by putting a turquoise colored triangle in the upper corner of the clip.

Now, if you have pulled the opacity down on the video event, or have pulled the gain down on an audio event, you will not be offered the fade arc as you hover the mouse pointer over the fade line of the clip, because the pointer sees the end of the event and only offers the trim function. But, as your mouse nears the opacity line or the gain line, the pointer will change to the fade arc.

I guess I was mainly having this problem on audio events, where I had pulled the gain down, and when it was hard to see that these very short, automatic fades had been added. I was baffled as to why I could not find the "fade arc" on these events -- since I was trying at the upper right corner -- and eventually caught on to the fact that I *would* get the fade arc when I hovered near the gain line.

(I should probably just be quiet now...)

Tim L
dcrandall wrote on 10/22/2006, 11:31 PM
I've seen this problem. It happens if a video event on the timeline does not end on a full frame.

1) Make sure "Quantize to Frames" is turned on

2) Zoom into the problem events and adjust them to end on a full frame

-Dan
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