Faint artifacts in 3:2 pulldown of 24p avi?

vitalforce2 wrote on 5/16/2003, 12:00 PM
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I am editing a short film I shot on a Panasonic DVX100 in 24p (not 24pA) and am seeing a very faint mosquito-like effect in playback, a fine "buzz" of tiny, almost invisible impurities all over the picture.

After SoFo updated V4 to version b, to allow editing on a 24p timeline, there was an announcement that footage should be shot in 24pA because it's more efficient. Too late for me, though, I have to get the best mileage I can from the straight 24p.

I reached a better understanding of why yesterday, in reading another forum, where it was explained that working in 24pA, which involves a 2:3:3:2 pulldown, only requires a single frame to be deleted in the pulldown, and the rest is virgin DV. However, in the 2:3 pulldown, two frames are interpolated (if that's the word), a concept similar to adding frames to slow-mo footage to smooth out the motion.

This makes me wonder if I'm seeing an effect of the less efficient pulldown. Unless I've been gazing at the screen too many hours, the footage, whether on the playback screen in V4 or on a TV or DVD player after MPEG-2 conversion, has this very faint noise, similar to the "film grain" effect at minimal settings. (No, I don't have film grain applied.)

Anyone else seeing this phenomenon? Is it just part of working in 4:1:1 DV, is perhaps something wrong with my hard drive where the clips are stored, or is it a result of the 3:2 pulldown? I can live with it (you can do phenomenal things just with the color curves and correction wheels), in fact it saves me having to apply the film grain effect--I'm just curious.

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SonyDennis wrote on 5/20/2003, 11:28 AM
I suspect it's just "regular" DV "mosquito noise" due to the DCT compression.

About the only way 24pN (2-3 pulldown) could have a visual effect would be more of a temporal strobing due to the 1 frame out of 4 that gets woven together from two other frames, because it has one extra "generation loss".

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