Fast 'storyboard' style pre-edit?

laer wrote on 1/1/2009, 10:26 AM
I was previously using Premiere 6(?), and liked this one feature they had called something like 'Storyboard mode'. You had all the clips shown as single frame thumbnails, and could arrange them (live, via drag and drop) in whatever order you liked, while having a storyboard overview of the whole 'edit'. When you had it the way you liked, you could then tell it to arrange all the clips in that order into the timeline, crossdissolving them. Perfect for making demo reels or quick slideshow edits.

Sadly, it seems Vegas 8 Pro doesn't have this (...and it SEEMS like they took it out of the new Premieres too, unless they are just not mentioning it in the manual).

Is there any similar method I could use in Vegas 8 Pro? How do you other users do quick edits where you have a huge bin of clips, and no initial plan as to the order of them? Doing it in the timeline would seem tedious, and not give you a nice overview of the clips. There must be some way to have all the clips 'on the table' and be able to rearrange them live while maintaining a view of the entire 'table'...

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Comments

TheHappyFriar wrote on 1/1/2009, 11:51 AM
couldn't you zoom out of the TL really far & do the same thing?
Chienworks wrote on 1/1/2009, 11:53 AM
I've used the method of prepending an index number to the clip names in the explorer window, though you could use the project media window too.

I identify the group of clips coming first and add something like '001-', '002-', '003-' in my best guess of order. Then find the next bunch and add '011', '012', '013', etc. If you have the clips sorted by filename then they'll end up in the order you want them as well.

Now select all the clips by clicking the last one, then shift clicking the first. Drag the first up to the timeline and all of them follow in order.
Chienworks wrote on 1/1/2009, 11:54 AM
The problem with zooming out is that in an hour long timeline those clips that are 5 seconds long are going to be a mere sliver with no visible thumbnail.
laer wrote on 1/1/2009, 12:00 PM
Hi, guys... Ya, both are usable solutions, but not as convenient as the Storyboard mode I mentioned, as it allowed you to easily drag and drop the large thumbnails in a storyboard 'grid', and it would close the gap where you removed the moved clip, and insert it where you release it.

Maybe if I use the auto ripple, and have it zoomed at the point where each clip is a single image on the timeline, that might work... but a bit tricky getting it to that point.

The file renaming thing would work, but is not at all convenient for me, not just because of the renaming of everything, but also because it requires some idea of basic order initially (whereas I just have a ton of 'demo reel' clips that I have no order in mind for initially....
video777 wrote on 1/1/2009, 2:28 PM
Pinnacle Studio has this feature.
Coursedesign wrote on 1/1/2009, 2:43 PM
Before you fire up Pinnacle Studio, be sure to put the number of your nearest Suicide Hotline on speed dial.

You may need it sooner than you think.

:O)

ScorpioProd wrote on 1/1/2009, 2:53 PM
I think you're overlooking the very powerful storyboard function of "Shuffle Events" in Vegas.

I use it all the time for storyboard-type operations, and I've come from a NLE with a powerful storyboard, Newtek's SpeedEDIT.

With shuffle events in Vegas, I don't miss a "true" storyboard at all. It's such a breeze rearranging events on the time line quickily and easily with shuffle events.

In case you haven't seen it, you just right click on an event, move it to where you want, and when you let go, pick "Shuffle Events" from the context menu. And no, you don't need to be in ripple mode.

laer wrote on 1/1/2009, 2:55 PM
'Before you fire up Pinnacle Studio, be sure to put the number of your nearest Suicide Hotline on speed dial.'

Hehehe....

I think I may even have that software buried in my old CD's.... I got a Pinnacle card or something long, long ago, and software with it. If I remember right, that's where I got my copy of SoundForge from (which I used up until a few years ago, when I switched over to Audacity).

I'm still not even sure if Premiere Pro CS3 has the feature. Not really mentioned in the manual (...although it DOES say in one intro sentence that you can edit in a storyboard like mode... but I can't seem to find any other mention of it).

Granted, I could just install it and see for myself... Maybe even having both Vegas and Premiere on my work machine... But, there's always that nasty residue left by most software....

I guess I'll read the Premiere manual some more later, and continue learning/tinkering with Vegas. If I can get the event clips set so that one 'thumbnail frame' only is shown (by scaling the timeline?), then it might be fine....

Actually, for my current project, I'd be using stills, so it wouldn't matter anyway... but for future projects...
laer wrote on 1/1/2009, 4:49 PM
Well, I seem to have found a way to do the 'arrange them all in one track' method... as I now seemingly found a way to have it add cross dissolves to all clips (shifting them back to create the needed overlap) after I have finished arranging them.

I also found the option to show only the first frame of an event as a thumbnail, which helps keep things clear and simple.

Cool, I think that'll do!

Any other ideas/comments are still welcome...
video777 wrote on 1/1/2009, 5:32 PM
Pinnacle Studio 12 is amazing and much better than previous versions.

I only point out using PS 12 because of the request for a storyboard feature. I personally have absolutely no use for this feature. Even though I used it when I was starting out I have not used it since. Vegas offers everything I need to quickly edit video. Yes, there are some things I'd like to see changed. One would be to have a select everything to the right (or left) without having to find the first clip on each time line, hold the Ctrl key, select them and THEN select to end. What a pain. I have to say that's one advantage that Liquid has over Vegas. Also when cutting I have to again hold the Ctrl key and select each track and THEN cut through them all. In Liquid when cutting it cuts straight down through everything EXCEPT locked tracks. That makes it very fast to edit. Just some more thoughts...
laer wrote on 1/1/2009, 7:00 PM
Actually, there is a 'select everything from this point on' feature in Vegas Pro 8. Right click on an event (brings up the menu), and select 'Select Events To End'.

I would imagine if you want the events before the selection, you'd do some sort of 'invert selection' if it has that.

Hope that helps...

Well, like I said, I found a reasonable workaround, so I'm okay for now...
video777 wrote on 1/1/2009, 8:49 PM
Actually, there is a 'select everything from this point on' feature in Vegas Pro 8. Right click on an event (brings up the menu), and select 'Select Events To End'.
That does not select ALL events to end. It only selects those on that track. That means that unless you choose other tracks and THEN that selection (which is what I was referring to) then all of your work from that point on will be out-of-sync. This is my single biggest disappointment with Vegas.
JackW wrote on 1/1/2009, 9:42 PM
Excalibur has an excellent "Select Events to End" (or to beginning) script which selects all tracks from cursor fore or aft. Very useful.

Jack
farss wrote on 1/1/2009, 10:19 PM
"and it SEEMS like they took it out of the new Premieres "

Don't know about CS4 as I haven't installed it yet but it's sure in CS3.
Change Project to Icon View and shuffle away. Project>Cleanup to get rid of the gaps and then Project>Export to Sequence.

The real power of this is that the project can be all sequences (think scenes). You can shuffle them around and rebuild a new version of your movie very quickly.

It shouldn't be too hard for Vegas to have this kind of functionality. User asked for it and asked for it years ago. The edit details window is pretty much the same as Ppro's Project pane. All Vegas needs is an easier way to shuffle the edit details around.

I note however this does come unstuck big time in Ppro as it would in Vegas if you have lots of tracks, shuffling sequences in Ppro or building a master project using nests in Vegas would keep everything under control though.

Bob.

[edit] One thing I like in CS3 is the Help > Search searches all installed products.
je@on wrote on 1/2/2009, 9:21 AM
Select events to end is handy but it's track specific. There's a script called, select-events-from-cursor that I find invaluable.
video777 wrote on 1/2/2009, 2:04 PM
Select events to end is handy but it's track specific. There's a script called, select-events-from-cursor that I find invaluable.

Where please? This would be extremely helpful. Thanks.
JackW wrote on 1/2/2009, 5:09 PM
Excalibur.

JackW
video777 wrote on 1/4/2009, 2:26 PM
Thanks Jack. I will enjoy it until the 15-day trial expires. There is no way I'm paying $129.95 for this. I can see there are other features but not really any I need. If it was around $49 I would have already bought it.

Does anyone know where to get a FREE script that simply selects every track on the timeline to the right of the cursor? This is something I do all the time. Thanks.
rs170a wrote on 1/4/2009, 3:02 PM
Does anyone know where to get a FREE script that simply selects every track on the timeline to the right of the cursor?

Courtesy of Edward Troxel:
http://www.jetdv.com/scripts/SelectEventsAfterCursor.cs

Mike
Chienworks wrote on 1/4/2009, 3:42 PM
If all you want to do is move all the events on all tracks from the cursor position to the end, consider ripple edits. Very slick, very useful.
video777 wrote on 1/4/2009, 4:15 PM
Mike,

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! This is perfect. I appreciate all the responses.
FuTz wrote on 1/6/2009, 5:24 AM
... a window that looks like the Media Manager showing the tumbnails from the clips that are already on the T/L. You then swap some of the tumbnails in that window and the clips do so on the T/L.
You accept the changes or reject and voilà... THAT would be great for documentary (at least).
Or, the proposition above but the changes appear on the Trimmer T/L (that would pop when using "Storyboard mode") before accepting or rejecting...
Of course, the ability to chose the tumbnail images from the frames of the according clips so it's even easier for the brain... :) (or has it been implemented? (I'm still with V7 , not editing for a living - no HD yet)
FuTz wrote on 1/6/2009, 5:33 AM
Or; having a "storyboard mode" that would bring some options directly on the timeline, like the Ripping mode does.
You'd just have to drag a clip between two others to make an instant swap, you could select clips on T/L and create your "blocks" before swapping them so some sequences would remain edited "as is", therefore moving as a whole when swapping.
Your "blocks" could appear with different contrasty colors so it's easy to spot them.

Well, something like this. Coffee now.