File Size Limits

BobMoyer wrote on 2/4/2002, 7:02 PM
I should have a permanent heading as "New User"...maybe someday I won't bother you with dumb questions.

System: Win98se/VV3/Trv 30 digital camera

I notice that there is a capture limit of 2 gig per file, am I correct in assuming that I can't export a file larger than 2 gig either as one file? But my real question is that when working with VV3, if I select a 1.5 gig avi file and then add two more 1.5 gig avi files to the project, can I render the whole 4.5 gig file as one mpeg1 file or will the rendering process split the files automatically?

Second dumb question: In the tutorial project that came with VV3, has anyone here gone through it? I can't seem to get the pan/crop item to look just like the example. I get the logo to loop back to center but I can't get it to float across the screen and then loop back as in the example.

Thanks for your time and any help you can offer.

Bob

Comments

Chienworks wrote on 2/4/2002, 7:11 PM
Chances are that when you render .avi to .mpg, the resulting .mpg file will be MUCH smaller than the .avi source files. This is the whole reason that MPEG was created anyway. Rendering 4.5GB worth of .avi files will most certainly be smaller than 2GB. The final size will be dependant on the bitrate you choose though. Even at the best DVD quality, 2GB of MPEG should hold over an hour of video.
BobMoyer wrote on 2/4/2002, 7:26 PM
Thanks for the information. I was pretty sure that the resulting mpeg file would be smaller, but I had no idea that there would be that much difference. BTW, what would happen if the resulting mpeg DID come out to be over 2 gig? (Just curious!)

Bob
Chienworks wrote on 2/4/2002, 7:55 PM
Well, first off i'm confused about the 2GB limit. Is your drive formatted for FAT32? If so, the limit should be 4GB. There might be some programs that still have trouble with 2GB though. Hauppauge's WinCap couldn't capture more than 2GB even under FAT32.

But, anyway ... what happened to me when i tried to render an MPEG file that would have been more than 4GB was that the render completed, and 9GB of disk space disappeared, but the file size showed 4GB in the directory, and only the first 44% of it would play. After i deleted the file i had to run scandisk to get the other 5GB of space back.
BobMoyer wrote on 2/5/2002, 5:50 AM
Yes, my drive is FAT32. The 2 gig file limit is referred to in all of the capture software that came either pre-loaded on the computer or was installed with the camera software. Specifically, it was DVgate (V.2.1) by Sony and Premere 5.1LE (which used the DVgate plugin to capture). I thought that it was a standard limit not an arbitrary amount of space. Do you mean that I could capture a 4 gig avi file with the VV3 capture program?

Bob
jeffy82 wrote on 2/5/2002, 7:51 AM
Welcome to the World of NLE. Fat32 FORMAT is limited to 4GB file size. Depending on the application, and which type of AVI's they use, they can be limited to either 2GB, 4GB, or unlimited. AVI 1.0 (older format) were limited to 2GB, the newer AVI 2.0 DML do not have a file size limitation. FAT32 would limit it to 4GB, but if you are using NTFS, you could easily capture your whole DV tape in one file.

This is only a suggestion. If you plan on sticking to FAT32, I would encourage you to at least try SCENALYZER LIVE. (www.scenalyzer.com) Free Demo, Small fully functional download (except random nagscreen on output), if suits your needs, you can register it for $33.00 The Best $33.00 I ever spent.

It has many features, including DV type 1&2 capture formats, Scene detection, FastScan index capture (5 minutes to capture whole dv tape index) and BEST OF ALL, the ability to do seemless captures and break them up over 2GB files without stoping. I'm not sure, but I think that VVCapture does this, but I may be mistaken. I use only NTFS w/ Win2k, so I don't worry about filesize.

GoodLuck.
Jeffy82
BobMoyer wrote on 2/5/2002, 12:46 PM
Thanks, Jeffy82. I will check it out.

Bob
mayberryman wrote on 2/5/2002, 1:14 PM
Absolutely vv3 will do seamless captures (in 4 gb chunks).

And, vv3 will let you put multiple 4gb files together on the timeline and render them as one mpeg (it's how I do hour long vcd's daily).

I have seen posts over on the cow that specifically state you should lose the Sony DVgate. VV3 capture will do everything about which you've inquired.
BobMoyer wrote on 2/5/2002, 7:37 PM
I plan to use VV3 solely as a capture method. However, prior to installing VV3, I captured quite a lot of video through DVgate. I did this due to the fact that when I installed VV3, it also updated DirectX to version 8.X. This effectively disabled the version of DVgate that I have. I was concerned that I might not be able to get the captured video on the computer. I should have waited, but that is history now.

Thanks for the information on the file size. It has really concerned me. You mentioned that you HAVE put multiple "large" files together to burn one mpeg, are you using Win98se by any chance?

Bob
mayberryman wrote on 2/6/2002, 1:59 PM
yes...win98se

I use Nero for all burning. It can add menu's to vcd's, and can burn svcd's.
VV3 can make mpeg2 compliant svcd files, but can't burn 'em.

The only problem I ever have, occurs occaisionally when capturing vhs video from my vhs player thru the analog/dv conversion of my sony and on in thru the ieee1394. Occasionally I get an abrupt termination of the capture, and a cryptic error message about an invalid argument being specified. Would LOVE for someone at sf to explain what that message means, and what causes it. {end of rant}
Chienworks wrote on 2/6/2002, 2:00 PM
My longest render so far was a 4.5 hour monster, all from DV AVI source files. Each 4GB source file was about 19 minutes long, so i had 15 files loaded onto the timeline. I started a render to MPEG, came back two days later, and it was done. All this was under Win98SE. So yes, you can work with material that totals larger than 4GB under Win98, but each individual file must not be larger than 4GB.

Vegas Video Capture will automatically split your file up into 4GB sections for you as you capture, and these may be placed seemlessly on the timeline. Vegas Video rendering will automatically split your output into 4GB sections if you are rendering to DV AVI. The print to tape utilities (either from timeline or from VidCap) will assemble separate 4GB files seemlessly back into one continuous stream when going back out to tape.

Bob Moyer, just out of curiosity, if you're not going to use Vegas for editing/rendering/output, what are you planning to use?