film look

IIMvideo wrote on 1/6/2003, 9:19 PM

Hi everyone, I'm working on a project for a client that I want to look a bit like film/TV(24fs).
I've tried to tweak some effects (ie. film effects/add noise/pixelan stuff), but cannot seem to get it even close. Does anyone have any suggestions?? Thanks!

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John_Cline wrote on 1/6/2003, 9:39 PM

Yes, FilmFX from www.bigfx.com. I have fooled lots of film snobs with the results. Although, it doesn't (yet) support Vegas. It does support pretty much everything else though.

John

IIMvideo wrote on 1/6/2003, 9:43 PM

Thanks! I'll check it out.

Paul_Holmes wrote on 1/6/2003, 11:43 PM

For a low-cost possible solution you might look into DVFilmMaker. It keeps the resolution of the DV up there while still providing that de-interlaced film-like look on shots with motion. Also will add subtle grain and red-boost if you desire. Not in the league of the expensive programs but does a good job.

You can download a free trial.

IIMvideo wrote on 1/7/2003, 7:33 AM

Thanks Paul, I'll check out the demo...

rextilleon wrote on 1/7/2003, 8:23 AM

Yeah, I second Pauls suggestion---

Tyler.Durden wrote on 1/7/2003, 9:07 AM

Hi IIMvideo,

If you search this forum and the Vegas forum at creativecow.net with "film look", you will find a bounty of tips, techniques and discussions.

HTH, MPH

Tips:
http://www.martyhedler.com/homepage/Vegas_Tutorials.html

FuTz wrote on 1/7/2003, 4:45 PM

... hope this will help...

Subject: Hey cooks! up the spoons!
Posted by: futz (Ignore This User)
Date: 6/3/2002 10:06:01 PM

Talking about how getting rid of borders, picture zooming, etc... that reminded me having read "film look" receipes on this forum.
Do you have any? I tried something last week-end, but would be curious about what you all think about this. What are your preferences about the overall picture quality/ texture/ finish ?
Like, applying a little gaussina blur, then a SMALL dab of "grain" from the film effects filters, and playing with color curves, hues, contrast, etc.... ????
You play with that?

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Subject: RE: Hey cooks! up the spoons!
Posted by: kkolbo (Ignore This User)
Date: 6/4/2002 1:34:59 PM

The number one thing I have found to get that film look is the lighting during shooting. I have found that I can manipulate the contrast and all easiest at that point. The more I pay attention to the soft light and the fills the more I get film like looks.

K

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Subject: RE: Hey cooks! up the spoons!
Posted by: SonicEPM (Ignore This User)
Date: 6/4/2002 1:56:00 PM

ftp://porker.sonicfoundry.com/

username: dude
password: sweet
folder: Sample projects

download the folder "Intercutting film and video" to your local drive, read the word doc and then run the sample project. Hope it helps-
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Subject: RE: Hey cooks! up the spoons!
Posted by: futz (Ignore This User)
Date: 6/4/2002 2:55:58 PM

I did it; seems great, I'm eager to try that ! Especially since I mostly have documentary footage so everything about "lightning conditions" is uncontrollable most of the times (thanks Kkolbo; I was a little non-precise about that!). That seems to be exactly what I was looking for; just a simple solution to "finish" the output look... I'll give you news about that.

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Subject: RE: Hey cooks! up the spoons!
Posted by: tserface (Ignore This User)
Date: 6/4/2002 4:56:22 PM

If you are looking for something esoteric, the new plug-in library has a film look filter that does lots of cool things. It's mostly for artsy sorts of effects, but it is a fun plug-in when you want something obvious.

Tom
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Subject: RE: Hey cooks! up the spoons!
Posted by: futz (Ignore This User)
Date: 6/4/2002 6:52:16 PM

tserface: You mean, the film effects plug-in in VV3?

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Subject: RE: Hey cooks! up the spoons!
Posted by: futz (Ignore This User)
Date: 6/4/2002 9:47:59 PM

EPM: and if I change the frame rate (23,976) to something else, will it have an effect on the "frequency" of the cadence created by this prop change? Will it bust something? In other words, is it possible to get this "24fps feeling" but with a more stable, or fluid "flicker movement"?
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Subject: RE: Hey cooks! up the spoons!
Posted by: tserface (Ignore This User)
Date: 6/5/2002 3:23:50 AM

You're right. It was a film grain effect that came with the plug-in. Sorry, it's hard to remember what came from where these days. :)

Tom
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Subject: RE: Hey cooks! up the spoons!
Posted by: SonicDennis (Ignore This User)
Date: 6/5/2002 9:43:23 AM

Sure, you can change the 23.976 to other frame rate, the rest of the recipe stays the same. 23.976 is 4/5 of 29.97, just as 24 is 4/5 of 30. For doing the reverse of 3:2 pulldown, 23.976 is the rate you want to use.

If you go too slow, it will get pretty jumpy, you might want to turn on motion blur to smooth it out.

The goal of the tutorial was to give the film look to something shot on video, so that it intercuts with stuff shot on film without looking out of place.

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