Film to Betacam SP to MiniDV to Vegas to DVD(shutter stutter on fast pans)

JJKizak wrote on 9/19/2002, 2:46 PM
I had my 16mm films processed to Betacam SP by a pro lab then copied them to
MiniDV then captured them to Vegas with firewire. There was some jerkiness (very slight)in some of the fast pans on the Betacam SP tapes. It was also evident when
playing back the timeline on the TV monitor. The computer monitor was the same as the Betacam SP tape in performance. Tried using the velocity envelopes
without any effect. Also set the switches to resample and interlace flicker
with some minor results. After much rendering of a small portion of the clip with a million different settings (one of the very fast pans) the best settings
were default with DVD NTSC 720 x 480 high quality , 9.0 meg cbr and separate
video and audio streams 48kc sampling. 98% of the final rendering was excellent
except for the fast pans. The "Stuttering" looks like a frames per second change
to 15 . I am fairly new to all of this video stuff but it looks to me that
this "stuttering" on the fast pans is not removeable. In other words the frame itself
is stable but the object "flaps" like a flag in the wind. It really is not that
bad but it would be nice if someone had a silver bullet for this. I really believe
this is a problem of converting 24fps to 30fps. Also if I used 25fps on the codec
settings it really helped a lot but it would not go into Reel DVD. When I use my
digital camera I have none of these problems.

Thanks, James J. Kizak

Comments

John_Cline wrote on 9/19/2002, 4:44 PM
Well, there could be a number of reasons for your problem.

The difference between film, which is 24 frames per second and NTSC video, which is 29.97 frames per second, but video interlaced and actually gives you 59.94 fields per second. A field is like a half-resolution frame. Temporal Resolution is the rate at which the motion in the original scene was originally sampled. So video at 59.94 samples per second has 2.5 times the temporal resolution of film at 24 samples per second. I think what you may be seeing is a combination of "Temporal Sampling Judder" and a problem with your MPEG2 encoder's "Motion Search Precision." Or, perhaps, a problem with the film to video transfer if they didn't do the 3:2 pulldown correctly.

"Temporal Sampling Judder" is due to the sample rate being too slow to describe the motion in the scene. The effect is like shining a stroboscope light on the scene. Moving objects are seen to jump from one position to another, rather than being seen to move smoothly.

This type of judder is commonly seen in film-originated material because a 24Hz sampling rate is far too slow for much of the motion in many scenes. It is often referred to as "film judder." It is often seen in backgrounds when the film camera pans horizontally. It is also responsible for the amusing artifact in Westerns, where wagon wheels are seen to go backwards. Since the film was originally sampled at 24 fps, there really isn't much you can do about "film judder."

Part of the way MPEG encoding works is to "predict" which direction objects in the scene are moving, how how hard the MPEG encoder works to analyze the difference between this frame and the next is called "Motion search precision." On some encoders, like TMPGENC, this paramater can be set to produce higher quality results at the expense of encoding time. Film Judder is particularly hard for an MPEG encoder to deal with. Using an encoder that doesn't employ a high quality motion search algorithm will cause the "flag waving" effect you describe. The quality of the decoder can also have something to do with it as well.

It's also possible that your MPEG encoder is having some trouble with the 3:2 pulldown. 3:2 pulldown displays a film frame for 3 video fields, then the next film frame is displayed for 2 video fields, then the next film frame is shown for 3 video fields, etc. This alternating between 2 fields and 3 fields produces the necessary 2.5 multiple of 24Hz, thus producing 60Hz. However, some video frames (which consist of two fields) will have have two identical fields and some frames will have two fields which are parts of two different film frames. This can drive the MPEG encoder's motion serach algorithm crazy. Curiously, PAL video is 50 fields per second, so they just speed up the 24 fps film to 25 fps and show the same film frame for both video fields.

I'm curious, was your original film shot at 24 fps or some other rate, like 18 fps?

John
JJKizak wrote on 9/19/2002, 5:36 PM
John:
You have hit the nail on the head. The original film was 24 fps. (16mm scope)
It was a Beaulieu camera with single cam registration. The films were
cleaned and frame by frame color restored on a $1.5 million dollar machine.
They were about 35 years old. For the most part they are identical in
performance with the betacam tapes(0f course except for the color restoration)with some minor exceptions in the fastpan areas where there is some instability visable on the tapes. I really am very happy with the tapes but wondered if there was a fix of any sort. Also the camera was not that good in the quality department and I
wonder if that had contributed somehow to the technicalities as you describe.
I have tried the Pinnacle codec and I now use the main concept codec in Vegas because of superior performance. I have not tried the Tempg codec yet.
The performance of the DVD is not as bad as I portray it, but if your really
nit-picken it then you start to look for it constantly.

Thanks for your time. jjk
SonyEPM wrote on 9/19/2002, 8:59 PM
You might try rendering the problem sections only to new track(s), using a little motion blur. Then do a test render to MPEG-2, burn it to DVD(-rw, if you have it!), and see if that helped- I bet it improves the pans somewhat.
JJKizak wrote on 9/24/2002, 12:32 PM
JOHN & SONIC EPM:
I purchased software called "Dynapel" and used it on two of the "judder"
areas on the film that were noticeable and used the defaults except for
"zoom and rotate correction" and was impressed with the results. Then I
rendered both clips from Vegas with the Main Concept codec set at 8.0
megs CBR and they still looked good, then converted to DVD file with
Reel DVD (set at 9.8 megs ) and it was still pretty good when viewing on the TV set.
It didn't eliminate the jagged blinky edges on the slanted objects in the
clips but the motion correction was excellent. This $69.00 software was
really worth the money.

James J. Kizak