Flash vid vs. QT vs. WM

dat5150 wrote on 4/1/2005, 6:40 AM
I came across this article and wanted to share with you. I hope that Vegas 6 includes Flash video encoding. I wonder why its taken so long for the Flash vid format to catch on? Is it a recent development from Macromedia?....I know many of you have known about it for a while, but I've been out of the loop pretty much for the last 6 months.

http://www.publish.com/article2/0,1759,1780072,00.asp

Comments

RafalK wrote on 4/1/2005, 7:38 AM
I recently purchased the Wild Form's Flix to start converting all of my videos to flash. That plus the Swish Max, my prototype is looking really good.
The best part is that I have full control over how my video is presented instead of having to deal with a prefabricated interface.
DaB wrote on 4/1/2005, 9:12 AM
This whole article makes no sense.

The focus of Flash is a compression scheme that allows for the efficient replaying of vector graphic animations. QT, WMV and Vegas are inherently tied as raster based graphic sequence players (raster movies).

The 2 technologies could not be further apart.

To me, the logical next step is to allow for the ability to inject interact hotspots onto raster movies. This would be a great asset.

Quick Time (VR for example) for sure can do this but I am not sure about Windows Media (probably does). It would be great step forward if Vegas could be the editor for these type of movies.

I would not expect it anytime soon, but what do I know.

dB
logiquem wrote on 4/1/2005, 10:21 AM
I'm not shure i get your point on this DaB:

"This whole article makes no sense.
The focus of Flash is a compression scheme that allows for the efficient replaying of vector graphic animations. QT, WMV and Vegas are inherently tied as raster based graphic sequence players (raster movies).
The 2 technologies could not be further apart."

I suppose you are aware that Sorensen encoded video playing is a feature of Flash since about 3 years... What's your point exactly?

DaB wrote on 4/1/2005, 1:18 PM
"I suppose you are aware that Sorensen encoded video playing is a feature of Flash since about 3 years... What's your point exactly?"

The point is that using Flash as a raster based movie engine is like driving your plane to work. Yes, you could probably do it, but it was never designed for that task. A much better tool is to add Hotspots in QT and WM movies from within Vegas.

dB

jlafferty wrote on 4/1/2005, 6:01 PM
Unless your interest is to keep end-user installation to a minimum -- i.e. one playback scheme for an entire site and its videos, something that Flash offers.

I did a client's site in Flash recently and encoded the video for the site in Flash using SwishVideo -- at about 450kbps, it looks pretty good -- and people visiting the site don't need to go to an external app or, worse still, hunt down/install/reload the video player.

It's completely cross platform friendly, as well -- something you can't as readily say of WMV, last I checked.

- jim
beatnik wrote on 4/1/2005, 8:22 PM
I ONLY use flash and NEVER had a problem with a client/agent
NOT being able to view videos. I used to encode to WMV, but NEVER
again!

Check it out at http://www.VideoListings.ca

Take care!
ken c wrote on 4/4/2005, 1:48 PM
Here's one flash-encoded movie I did w/Vegas 4, 5-minutes streaming:

http://www.MegaSeminar.com

Being able to progressively stream and playback this video stream makes flv format the no-brainer for online video.

Flash rocks. Got a better video stream promo in mov/wmv? Let's see it.

ken
Coursedesign wrote on 4/5/2005, 9:28 AM
Ken,

Very very nice! You've come a long way with this...

Only improvement I could see that would be worthwhile would be to add a dark drop shadow on the white titles, so they contrast against the sometimes white background.

For the next step, you'd have to add transparency :O). See this Macromedia article.

I'm also sick and tired of loading QT & WM players just to see an intro clip, and Real I just refuse (for emergencies there is an alternative player).

2005 will be the year of Flash for video, a number of large companies have picked up on the unique features of this (Macromedia even sent a whole delegation to Volvo in Sweden to see how they were doing what they are doing today for live ads).

B.J.
ken c wrote on 4/5/2005, 10:05 AM
great points BJ, agree ... will do re enhancements... it's fun to get this stuff working right .. lots of work though ...

one thing I'd like to figure out in vegas, is how to better manage large workspaces.. eg i have 20+ video timelines, and 5-8 sound timelines .. using simple group/ungroup doesn't work as well, and ripple/edits, eg for making changes.. anyways agree re flash video is where it's at.. no more embedded players and popups!

ken