For what it's worth . . .

Caruso wrote on 11/24/2002, 8:40 AM
I just completed a CD that I recorded on a combination of DAT/Analog RtR equipment, all digitized to Vegas, then, used Vegas to balance tracks, splice takes, filter out hum, etc.

IMNSHO, the thing is first rate. My customer was impressed enough to tender my fee in advance of delivery of the actual CD's, so, we're both happy campers. . .

and I am particularly pleased that VV3.x was able to interface with my equipment (some of it ancient by today's standards) so that I was able to produce a credible final product.

Thanks SF, and thanks to the forum for taking time to read this.

C

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drbam wrote on 11/24/2002, 10:58 AM
<<and I am particularly pleased that VV3.x was able to interface with my equipment (some of it ancient by today's standards) so that I was able to produce a credible final product.>>

Caruso: I'm curious. . .would you say more about your "interface" setup with Vegas? I still use a hybrid set-up involving a lot of analog gear, mixers, etc., so I'm always interested to hear how others might be working when using "ancient" stuff with a DAW, especically if its a fairly integrated system.

Thanks!

drbam
Caruso wrote on 11/25/2002, 5:57 PM
Oh, sure, drbam. I love running on about my stuff, 'cause, old as it is, it was selected with tender loving care and purchased with 'precious' dollars. I never hesitated to purchase what I considered the best I could afford, yet, unfortunately, could never justify absolute pro-level gear. OTOH, I feel fortunate that time has proven my stuff to be of decent quality. Here goes (and, don't laugh, all you cutting edge types).

I have two analog reel to reel tape machines, both TEAC's, both dual capstan with onboard DBX. DBX in combination with a proper EQ adjustment allows them to achieve s/n ratio of 100 db, plenty good enough to work with cd quality stuff. Wow and flutter on these machines can't approach the un-measurable levels of rotary head gear and digital recorders, but even at their slower speeds (which I rarely use), w&f is imperceptible to most listeners (myself included, and I have a pretty good ear for this stuff).

I also own this old video cam from Sony - a CCDV-220 that has a PCM recording module built in, so it works a like a DAT machine. I know the sampling rate is a bit lacking, but, again, for the sort of work I'm doing, this is not a factor that is fatal to my recordings.

I often find myself recording in less than ideal settings, using mics that are passable, but not great, so, by the time I deal with ambient noise and so forth, the advantage of a better recorder would probably be lost. The analog RtR's and this PCM camcorder are my choices for field recording. I take that raw audio and transfer it either directly to my computer via the sound card, or, as has become a more frequent choice of late, record it onto a CD via a free-standing CD recorder. Frankly, I've found the latter method to be less of a hassle (especially since my computer is in the basement and the rest of my sound system (amps, the two recorders, etc.) are all upstairs (those RtRs are super heavy to move around), and I am free from what I consider to be a very clunky WinXP sound card interface (Steinberg, for example, includes a neat mixer gui, but, it doesn’t work in xp, you have to go to the device manger control panel to adjust input/output levels, etc). I don’t have that problem with the CD recorder, just hook up my recorder, use the recorder’s controls to adjust input, and start recording.

I use audio (music) CD-RW's as my dubbing medium, and, one of the two CD-RW drives in my computer can extract from these audio CD's without a problem (the other drive never extracts properly, go figure).

Anyhow, this gets a digital copy of my 'raw' sound into my computer so that I can edit and process. The CD-RW gets used over and over again, obviously.

None of this stuff is fancy - none of it is worth much in terms of cash value, and, while I respect the more sophisticated among those of you on this board, I will say that I have an ear for what sounds good (in terms of sonic quality, and, more important in terms of top notch performance) so that those who listen to my finished stuff seem impressed enough to pay me for it (and, I suppose equally important, I am pleased with the results of my efforts).

It is, for me, always a little disturbing to save up and purchase a "fine" piece of equipment, only to see its value disappear as its capabilities are surpassed by newer, more capable, or less costly gear, so, it pleases me greatly that I have found some justifiable use for my old stuff.

I have also had a lot of fun restoring LP's. More than one individual has donated entire collections of LP's in exchange for CD's of a few their favorites. I've done the same with reel to reel pre-recorded tapes, having expanded my collection greatly by acquiring old pre-recorded copies of classical and Broadway performances, some dating back to the early 50's. I don't advertise for these old collections, and I don't charge to produce that single copy. Nor do I make copies for other than the original owner . . . don't know if this is legal or not, but, except that I make that copy, the performance would probably be forever lost. Maybe some of you can offer an opinion on this.

I find it simply amazing that I can drill down into the waveform (I use Steinberg's Wavelab for this purpose) to remove those particularly stubborn pops and clicks (the one's the pluggins seem to miss) by simply redrawing the wave at that particular point. The result: almost all defects can be drawn away and the alteration is otherwise undetectable by the human ear. So simple, yet, simply amazing.

Well, good dr, you asked me to expand, or was that expound. I'm certain I've done quite enough of both. I don’t make tons of money at this, but, I’ve made enough to put two kids through The Juilliard School without being thrown into debtors’ prison.

Thanks for asking, and thanks to SF for this forum in which to share. Sorry if I got too long-winded.

Caruso
Caruso wrote on 11/25/2002, 6:04 PM
Oh, and I almost forgot, I hooked up an electronic keyboard to my soundcard, and, by arming a new track to record, was able to listen to one of my works in progress as I played additional stuff onto this armed track. For someone who has struggled trying to achieve sound on sound using analog recorders, this capability within Vegas is truly a dream come true.

I've read about latency problems, but experienced none of my own.

Flub the dub, just it stop, the cursor automatically returns to your starting point, hit record, and dub without flub all over again.

Isn't that an absolutely beautiful thing!!

Caruso
drbam wrote on 11/25/2002, 7:31 PM
<<Flub the dub, just it stop, the cursor automatically returns to your starting point, hit record, and dub without flub all over again.
Isn't that an absolutely beautiful thing!!
Caruso>>

Got that right!! ;-D And thanks for your previous post about your setup. Its possible to make some wonderful music with what, "by today's standards" would be laughed at by many. I've heard a lot of, and I mean a LOT of crap created on "state of the art" gear in "state of the art" studios. Those kind of stories abound so I won't belabor the point. ;-)

drbam
Caruso wrote on 11/26/2002, 7:34 PM
Thanks for your interest, drbam. Perhaps you'd care to share a bit about your setup.

Caruso

Oh, and I'm sure you understood that 'just it stop' was supposed to be 'just hit stop.' Must have been getting groggy when I typed that, LOL.
drbam wrote on 11/26/2002, 8:40 PM
<<Thanks for your interest, drbam. Perhaps you'd care to share a bit about your setup.>>

My DAW system is currently 98SE (moving to XP next month), AMD TBird 1.3, Asus A7V266 mobo, 512 ram, 3 drives (system, data, BU), Vegas 3, Sound Forge 6, and Acid 3 apps, the usual assortment of plugins, and a Layla 24. I've got a few decent mics and mic pres (Meek, ART, Aphex), efx gear include a Lexicon PCM 80, 2 Alesis Wedges (really nice units I think), 2 MPX 100s and some other similar stuff, Panasonic SV3800 DAT and a Fostex 300 stand alone CD recorder. I run everything thru a Mackie 32/8 bus console. I love the routing possibilities with this, especially with a patch bay. Since I only work on one project at a time, the console mix recall issue isn't that important to me. Most everything is pretty carved out in Vegas anyway. For mixdown I run the Layla's lightpipe out into an XT20 to give me an additional 8 analog outs (16 total). Some of the efx returns are routed through a Mackie 1202 VLZ back into a couple of the 8 bus inputs. Main monitors are Mackie 824s and I've got an old pair of JBL 4411s for the louder reference. I'm able to locate the computer in an adjacent room so the studio is dead quiet. My favorite piece of gear is the PCM 80. Incredible sounding verbs! It makes the plugins really sound lame unless you get up into a full blown TDM system. Anyway, I'm an old analog guy and I like to have my hands engaged in something besides a mouse and keyboard. That might change at some point but I doubt it. ;-)

drbam