a bit miffed about $200/yr upgrade prices

Xpress DV to Xpress Pro HD v5 - $495

FCP to FCP 5 - $400

Premiere Pro 1. to Premiere Pro 1.5 - $200
Encore DVD 1.0 Encore DVD 1.5 - $100

The $200 for Vegas users includes DVDA 3.
Feel better now?
:-)

Mike

OK re: $200 upgrade, thought it was just Vegas, and is lower than other products in comparison. :-)

Regarding the edit - some clarification on what I want to do: I don't want to delete the frames, I want to edit them in an image editor and replace them in the timeline. Yes, this may mean touching up 29-30 frames per second.

I know I can export snapshots from the trimmer. If I have say one second of video that I want to retain, but want to take something out of (or put something in) the video, I would manually have to save say 30 frames, edit each one (this is not the problem), and then bring the image files back into the video, then adjust the length of each "still" to 1/30 sec. This is a lot of work.

I was thinking... you know how if you set an audio editor and double click on the audio stream it will bring it up in that editor? Why not the ability to click on a frame and have if brought up in your image editor, and on saving, brought back in to replace original frame?

I'm sure there's not a high demand for this, I'm just curious if anyone has found a way to do this fairly easily.

Grab this script collection. Load in the script called "ExportImagesForRange". You'll need to modify the script so that it saves the frames to a directory of your choosing. When you're done fixing them, you import the frames back in as a "sequence".

Mike

Trying to edit EACH frame as a standalone entity isn't really feasible which I suspect is why there's no facility to do this easily, no one asks for it much. I know it sounds like the way to do something but...

You really need a rotoscoping tool which lets you work on one frame while being able to flip between frames to see how the whole things hangs together. For that to work you need to export /import an image sequence.

I've wasted a day trying ot fit wobble cam doing it frame by frame, much, much harder than it seems, each frame looks fine but run the sequence at full speed and oh dear. Same goes for most ofther problems, unless you can get everything to line up accross frames you just get a worse looking mess. What's worse if you're dealing with old film it's quite likely that the errors aren't really single frames long, they might even been frames and fields in length.

Anyway good luck.

Bob.

...work on one frame while being able to flip between frames...

Bob, do you remember the onion skin feature of Deluxe Paint on the old Amigas? That's what is really needed here :-)

Mike

> Bob, do you remember the onion skin feature of Deluxe Paint on the old Amigas? That's what is really needed here :-)


I remember it and Combustion has it.

- R

Bob, do you remember the onion skin feature of Deluxe Paint on the old Amigas? That's what is really needed here :-)


Deluxe Paint was under $100 Canadian. I doubt Combustion is that cheap.
I'm sure it handles more than 16 colours though :-)

Mike

Positon your cursor on the main timeline roughly a second or two before where you want to cut. Zoom in, if necessary to see better, then use either the left/right arrow keys or the keypad on your keyboard which will advance/reverse the clip in tiny steps.

Hold down the ALT key while doing this and it will move one frame at a time, or Hold SHIFT+CTRL+ALT and the mouse wheel will move one frame at a time

Mike D

Usually marks like the reel changer could be replaced with a single image file that is panned and cropped to overlay for the duration. Correct the first frame and then grab the corrected area and keep it in synchronized motion to mask out the marker.

Wow, thanks for all the help guyz! I was thinking... how do "they" restore old films that have the old vertical lines in them and all. I guess seperate software is the answer, Thanks again.


I've been learning this software on my own for a while, what I need is a 1 year course! :-)))

Has anything more happened regarding the ability to edit single frames within a video in Vegas?

Maybe a plug-in?

What was the shortcut for slipping (sliding) one frame at a time?

Worley

Moving Event Frame by Frame - NumPad 1 and 2 keys

But slipping WITHIN an Event, frame by frame? Dunno.

One way to remove a reel change circle - it's near the corner, so detail unlikely to be vital - use Cookie Cutter to make a hole round the marker, then duplicate that section to track below.
Move the lower track or clip slightly (Track Motion or Pan/Crop), so that an adjacent part of the original frame shows through. Use feather if necessary to disguise edge of hole.

Photoshop CS3 Extended will let you bring your .avi straight in (new in this version) and work on each frame individually as you would with individual images.

Rick

But slipping WITHIN an Event, frame by frame? Dunno

Oh, sure you do Graham: Hold the Alt key and then drag with the mouse. Neat stuff.

For more, here's the section from the Vegas F1 help:

Trim left/right (when in edge-trimming mode)                           F3/F9

Exit edge-trimming mode                                                Numeric Keypad 5

Move or trim selected events one frame left/right                      Numeric Keypad 1/3

Move or trim selected events one pixel left/right                      Numeric Keypad 4/6

Move selected events up/down one track                                 Numeric Keypad 8/2

Slip: move media within event without moving the event                 Alt+drag inside the event

Slip trim: moves the media with the edge as it is trimmed              Alt+drag edge of event

Trim adjacent: trims selected event and adjacent event simultaneously  Ctrl+Alt+drag edge of event

Slide: trims both ends of event simultaneously                         Ctrl+Alt+drag middle of event

Slide crossfade: moves crossfade                                       Ctrl+Alt+drag over a crossfade

Stretch (compress) the media in the event while trimming               Ctrl+drag edge of event

Yes, I DO know that.

But to SLIP accurately frame by frame using a KEYBOARD arrow like NumKey I don't know. And yes I do know the ALT and ALT+CTRL options, use it all the time. But to slip within an event as accurate as per an arrow? No I don't. Grabbing mouse-work and drag ain't as accurate as an ARROW, frame by frame - yeah? It is THAT I was referring to.

That's my point!

But to slip within an event as accurate as per an arrow? No I don't.

And neither do I. Sorry, I misunderstood your question. Since I was almost certain that you knew the answer (as I stated in my post), I should have been smart enough to figure out that you were asking something else.

Yeah . . pity really. Maybe a suggestion to Madison?

Also when I creep an event, using the NumPad arrows, the colour SNAPS don't work? Weird huh? Maybe if this is true then another suggestion John?

You can export a series of frames by selection using the scripting options provided by Sony, Excalibur, and UltimateS. Open this sequence in your favorite editor, building/recording an action, and adding/removing what you might want to add, such as a fly, bumblebee, or logo on a shirt or pants. Then save the sequential files by the same name, and reimport to Vegas as a sequence.

Grazie,

I'm sure you know most of the following but I'm posting the full thing for perhaps other users reading down the road. It took some digging to put it all together.

I had a similar need to yours to slip edit events.

I had a 16 camera project edited down to a series of events (a marching band performance recorded by 2 cameras at 8 different events). I used VASST infinitiCAM. I got the 16 cameras (audio and video) pretty well synced but not perfect. In the end video I would be using only one audio recording of the band. Due to changes in tempo from one performance to the next it was impossible to sync all of them. So I got them close and then had to slip some of the individual video cuts/events to sync the video with the single audio source. Such things as seeing a percussionist hitting a drum or doing a riff on a xylophone that could be clearly heard had to be precisely aligned. I tore my hair out getting it right. And I wanted a keyboard solution soooo bad!

The strategy listed below, found by really digging through the help files, really got close. Finding the toggle for split screen mode (to see what was happening) was the real eureka moment, followed by the use of zooming (to achieve precise mouse movement) in the timeline.


The Strategy for Precise Slip Editing:

Shift the contents of (slip) an event:

Hold Alt while dragging an event. The cursor is displayed as a <-->.

As you drag the event, the contents of the event shift, but the event will not move. You can use this technique when you want to maintain an event's length and position, but have the event play a different section of the source media file.

When you slip an event, your event maintains its place on the timeline, but the media file moves in the direction you drag. Think of it as a horizontal movable time delineated window into the underlying media file.

By default the Video Preview window temporarily enters split-screen preview mode when you slip a video event. This temporary split-screen mode allows you to see the event's first and last frame as you slip. If you want to see the shift as it occurs under the cursor, you can toggle this preview mode by selecting or deselecting the Video Event Edge Frames (Ctrl+Shift+O) command on the View menu. This is the mode you'll want if you are trying to align video with an audio moment

By Zooming the timeline in or out you gain more/less precise control of the amount of slip caused by the mouse drag. This isn't a great as a frame by frame keyboard solution but it comes close.

I hope this helps someone else.

rj

Zooming in on the timeline helps a lot. You can get torturous frame-by-frame slip if you want.

BTW, the 'movie editor' in Photopaint has an onion skin tool. PP is really picky and unstable when importing clips, it won't accept clips with sound and has limited export capability.