Full duplex recording w/ soft synth

waynegee wrote on 6/23/2002, 8:53 AM
I can't seem to figure out how to record my soft synths without recording everything. Meaning, in the full duplex world, I can hear what was recorded previously AND the incoming audio without the two tracks being mixed down to one file(or hearing drums AND the bass on the SAME track...oof). But since soft synths (I'm using NI FM7, NI Reaktor, Reason's synths, VSampler, Kontakt and Lounge Lizard)appear to the sound card like Wave audio, my SBLive records ALL the audio. My workaround has been to mix my curent track down to a stereo track, import it into SONAR, record the soft synth, convert IT to audio and then bring ALL of the audio back into ACID/Vegas. There's gotta a be an easier way...is there? Now I been looking at new soundcards because of this issue. I bought an Audiophile but I had the same problem so I returned it. I'm probably gonna get the Onmi or Quattro when I can but not until this problem is resolved. I think it will probably have something to do with multiple outputs. I was using the KX drivers which seriously boosted the usability of the SBLive but it seemed that the full duplex capability was totally gone no matter what the input so I uninstalled them. Now when I record via Mic, Line or S/PDIF with the SBLive, this problem does not exist...it's only when I try to use a soft synth in standalone mode(as opposed to DXi/VSTi) that this problem occurs. I tried to search and find the "regularly asked and answered" posts but could not find this particular issue...close but not this one. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

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waynegee wrote on 6/23/2002, 4:51 PM
Don't get me wrong...I'm using the soft synths in standalone mode not using VV/ACID as the host...all I'm using VV/ACID for is the recording of the AUDIO produced from the synth not the MIDI data. But the audio from the soft synth and the backing track are being recorded together...not good. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear.
SonyDennis wrote on 6/23/2002, 4:56 PM
How about muting the backing track so you're just recording the soft synths?
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FadeToBlack wrote on 6/23/2002, 5:17 PM
FadeToBlack wrote on 6/23/2002, 5:19 PM
waynegee wrote on 6/23/2002, 7:33 PM
I'm trying to basically play along with VV or ACID with a standalone soft synth and have only what I'm playing be recorded, not my NEW performance and the pre-recorded one. But I see what you are saying...just record the tracks with the metronome without the backing audio playing....hmm, I never thought of that. Has anyone tried the Virtual Audio Cable from NTONYX? It claims to do exactly what I need...I'm downloading it now...

it says:
"The Virtual Audio Cable implements an idea of physical interconnection cable applied to Windows digital sound devices (Wave In and Wave Out). Driver creates a pairs of Wave In/Out multi-client device ports; "In" and "Out" ports in each pair are internally connected so all digital audio data sent (played) to "Out" part of the cable by one program is directly transferred to the "In" part and can be retrieved (recorded) by another program. This mechanism allows to interconnect several programs that are using Wave devices - software synthesizers, sound processors, sound editors, sequencers etc. Additionally, it allows to record pure digital audio data produced by programs that don't create WAV files, sending audio only to Wave device in real time.

Each port of driver is multi-client, allowing multiple applications to open the port at same time. All sounds sends to Out port are mixed, all clients connected to In port get the individual copy of sound."

Sounds like the answer, I'll let you guys know. Thanks for all the help.
FadeToBlack wrote on 6/23/2002, 9:48 PM
waynegee wrote on 6/23/2002, 11:20 PM
well, it kinda is the same thing except it actually routes AUDIO where the VMR routes ONLY MIDI data...I'm trying it now...not very intuitive, kinda buggy so far...I'll keep ya posted. If this doesn't work, I just keep doing it the SONAR way...no biggie.

Thank again for looking out.

-W
ScottBabcock wrote on 7/11/2002, 12:01 PM
I'm trying to get Sonar 1.3.1 to slave to Vegas 3.0c and not having great success so far. I'm not sure if I should use MTC or MIDI clock. Both seem to drive Sonar on first attempt but when I try a second time Sonar just sits there waiting. If you have time can you give me the steps you take to pull this off?

Thanks!!
-Scott