Ray, I'd convert the 60i to 24p. Vegas does an admirable job with it, and it's an easy push given that most of your content was 24p. If it's the project I'm thinking it is, you'll lose nothing in the conversion that will visually affect the image anyway.

Hm, having a tough time with this. Tried having the project settings at 29.97, rendered it out as 29.97, bad interlacing on the DVD. Had the project at at 29.97 and rendered as 24p, bad interlacing on the DVD. And by "bad" I mean just god awful. So I have took one of the 29.97 clips into a new project with the same settings and rendered it out as 24p and replaced that part of the original project. I now have the project at 24p and am trying to render to MPEG-2 NTSC DV Widescreen 24p (well, the ivtc film one). Will try to burn a DVD from that in the morn, hoping to god it works. I have another two hours or so to go of this and gotta get a handle on this d*mn interlacing.

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P.S. 1080i 29.97 is the devil

Hey Ray,

Thought I'd heard about the EX-1 having a reversed field order (and you should make sure you're interlacing is set to blend).

Hope that helps?

Dave

Will check into that but I didn't shoot this one, think it was shot with a Sony HVR-Z7U.

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Okay, just burned a copy in which part of the 1080i 29.97 was converted to 24p in a separate instance of Vegas, brought back into the other 24p project with the other 24p footage, rendered out to 24p MPEG2, brought into DVDA which had "Reduce Interlace Flicker" checked, prepared and burned the DVD.

Still got interlacing. This is groveling.

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Hi Ray,
Can you explain what you mean by bad interlacing? Is it that the field order seems reversed, or is it that you see jagged edges all the time? Does it affect all the clips or only clips that were 60i, or only the clips that were 24p?

I do this all the time with HDV 1080 60i with good results, that's why I'm asking. But I convert the 60i to a 24p intermediate using DVFilmaker, and then edit everything on a 24p timeline and render using the MPEG2 DVDA 24p widescreen template.

I've never used DVDA's "reduce interlace flicker" feature. Have you compared the exact same thing with that off?

kairosmatt

By bad interlacing I mean lines or distortions that run across the video.

I've tried with and without the "reduce interlace flicker" with neither producing acceptable results.

So you don't bring 1080i 60i footage straight into Vegas? You run them all through DVFilmaker first to avoid interlacing? Are there any particular settings you use or do you just drag & drop the original footage and tick the "24p" option?

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I set the 'convert 60i to 24p" check box. I also check the "user selects compression" option, otherwise it will be uncompressed.

I did some tests a while ago comparing DVFilmaker to rendering straight off the Vegas timeline to 24p (both using the same codec) and found that DVFilmaker had slightly better results (in motion and sharpness).

Neither one produced lines or distortion when I burned a DVD. That's really frustrating. Are these distortions across the entire show or just portions that originated in 60i?

Just the portions that were 1080 29.97, the ones that were "24a", which I guess is this cameras simulation of 24p, look okay.

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What about going back to editing a 60i timeline and rendering a 60i MEPG2?

Just read a little about Sony 24a, and it is true 23.97 fps captured in a 60i stream with flags for pulldown removal by Vegas. You could tell Vegas not to remove the pulldown, so it would still be 60i.

Doesn't solve the problem of bad interlacing though. When you converted the 60i to 24p in a separate Vegas, what render settings did you use? Or did you just set the project settings and then nest it in the other Vegas project?

If you haven't already done this, I would recommend rendering an AVI using the Cineform or Rayligh codec, or go XDCAM via SonyMXF. Give it a HDV frame size and PAR but 23.97 framerate.

kairosmatt

Well the 24a isnt the issue, just the 29.97.

When I tried to convert using Vegas I rendered the 1080i 29.97 to HDV 1080 24p intermediate avi.

As for the rest, don't know anything about those codec or how to use em, just looking for a solution! =) So are you saying I shouldn't use DVFilm Maker and try the codec?

So confused.

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Just looked at the render setting for MPEG2. You could also select the HDV 60i template, and modify it to set the framerate to 23.97 and field order to progressive. That way all the other settings should be very close to your 24a HDV.

I wonder if you went a step furthur, set the framerate to 23.97+2 3 pulldown and set the field order to upper first, you would get the exact same settings as 24a from the z7.

You probably don't have time to test all this, but maybe some of these ideas will help.

kairosmatt

Missed your last post, the HDV 24p intermediate is cineform, and should have done the trick.

I just don't understand how its coming back with the distortions. Let me play with it some more.

Thanks for all the help and patience, really do appreciate it.

What compressor settings do you use for the DVFilm btw?

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Is there any fast action in the stuff you shot? Do you notice the distortions throughout all the 60i stuff, and is it always the same? Or does it get worse in some parts?

Yes there's action, it's a dance recital. Worse during movements which makes sense.

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In that case, I would test a clip in DVFilmaker, and see if you get better results.

And which do you choose for "Compressor"?

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For compression, I use Raylight because I already have it for P2 media. Cineform is another possiblity, but I think you have to have purchased it otherwise it watermarks it. The one that comes with Vegas, only works through Vegas.

The lagarith lossless codec gets good comments here, so that could be a good one too (I don't personally have any experience with this one).

lol, it just never gets easy does it? For how much this program costs I would think the codec would be included. On the one I just downloaded and installed there doesn't appear to be a lagarith codec.

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Funny, in DVFilmaker I don't see any of Sony's codecs come up or any main concept ones except the mainconcept DV. Don't know if that one works at HD though.

I see a lot of microsoft options, but don't know anything about them. Maybe the microsoft MPEG4 is a good one?

The lagarith is a free codec that you can download. its been posted here before, let me see if I can find a link.