Getting the most out of slide shows on DVD

videoITguy wrote on 8/8/2012, 10:49 AM
The following topic thread was hijacked from the VegasVideoPro forum as a thread that has since died...here is just a bit of its content for review:
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The Subject: SOT Slide slow
Posted by: DaveT2
Date: 8/5/2012 9:24:19 AM
Need your opinions. I have about 300 Pictures to put on a DVD. I don't plan on doing any zooms or pans. Just straight.

Does the DVD slideshow function have any advantages over putting on the Sony Vegas timeline and rendering them out.

This is a reunion DVD and I already have video and another slide show of older pictures. These are pictures taken at the reunion so I am not trying to be artsy.

Thanks
Dave T2


Reply by: PeterDuke
Date: 8/5/2012 6:32:30 PM
For group watching, it is best, I think, to have automatic step on after a certain time, say 5 seconds. Then you could have music as well if you wish. However if I am the only viewer, I would like an indefinite time on each slide, and the ability to manually step on when I am ready, dependent on the slide's content. Something like a Powerpoint presentation.

Leawo make a Powerpoint to DVD converter with this capability. I think it works by turning each slide into a menu page. The disadvantage was that it superimposed the previous/next buttons on the slide. There may be a way to hide them, but if so, I don't know how. Also, can you have 300 menu pages in a DVD?

Then there is the issue of captions for each slide, but maybe for a reunion, these would be unnecessary. I like captions to not obscure the image.

I have yet to find a simple program to create the equivalent of the old photo album, where you can turn pages at your leisure and read comments if you so wish. I tried using Vegas for this, where each slide had a chapter mark, so that you could skip quickly if you wanted, but the skip was so sluggish on my player that I might just as well have let it step on by itself anyway. However, it was a lot of work to create. I used Vegasaur to insert the file name and shooting date automatically. I can't remember now whether it also inserted user comments from the EXIF header as well.
Message last edited on 8/5/2012 6:42:06 PM, by PeterDuke.

Reply by: DaveT2
Date: 8/5/2012 6:48:13 PM
Peter,

Thanks. I just made it 3 videos in Vegas. I added the names using Photoshop.

You can hide the menu buttons by using transparent colors. I have done that before for shorter slide shows. Use Right and Left for next and previous and up for return to menu.

I am not going to put music on, my first slide will tell them to play their favorite music and enjoy the pictures.

Dave T2
Message last edited on 8/5/2012 6:48:53 PM, by DaveT2.
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I find that there is often a need to include a large number of photos into a given presentation - but forcing the client to watch them by a step through slide show or even a rendered ken-burns style video can be a painful audience killer.

My preferred method to create productions of this type is to create a hybrid Blu-ray/Bd-Rom or DVD/Dvd-Rom title. In the video presentation I create a high-lights summary style video with the feel for what can come later in the multiple still photos.

In the ROM portion of the disc I borrow on the techniques that web-style authors have done in the past by creating an html based coded presentation where the viewer can scroll through photos, seeing six to thirty picture panes at a time. They have the option of seeing EXIF data, or photo names accompanying the presentation. In this way the client audience can absorb the content of a 300 photo presentation within a couple of minutes, while keeping it interesting.


There is a large amount of software on the market that can quickly automate this type of production - some flash based, others simply rely on proprietary executable code, or even just basic html. You can take a group of photos and assemble this kind of product for your production faster than you can drag them to the VegasPro timeline.

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PeterDuke wrote on 8/8/2012, 7:04 PM
Tell me more, but first two questions:

1. Why have you put this in the DVDA forum?

2. Is your method for computer or TV presentation? (I know nothing of web design, so your solution does not look "simple" to me.)

And a third question: can you list some of the "large amount of software on the market that can quickly automate this type of production"?
videoITguy wrote on 8/8/2012, 8:06 PM
I am placing this into the DVD forum, because I see a lot of people struggling to get into the client's hands a good product on DVD or Blu-ray. Certainly the production and authoring of a DVD presentation can use many production tools - including getting into why a mixed DVD video/ DVD -ROM presentation can benefit the client.

I am going to refer to you a website for some exploration of what I suggested earlier about html code on the DVD-ROM segment of the disc. My references will first point out the software manufacturer, but while they produce many different products - I wish to make a second reference to photo-show in html coding - that is ONLY one product of their total product mix. That is the product you would produce presentations on the DVD-ROM section of the disc. You may want to visit that reference first.

Description of Product for illustration purposes:
With Photo Flash Maker Platinum, you can use your photos, FLV videos and songs to create gorgeous flash slideshows in SWF format for watching on computer, burn the auto-run flash photo album to gift CD/DVD, build a web gallery with amazing flash slideshows with dynamic SWF + HTML + XML files, or upload the slideshows to our free web album Go2Album, and then embed the slideshows to MySpace, Blogger, Friendster and many other social networking websites.
Photo Flash Maker Platinum allows you to add FLV videos as slides. Photos and videos can be mixed in a flash album.

1) Manufacturer of these product types:
http://www.anvsoft.com/


2) Specific product category usable on DVD-ROM
http://www.anvsoft.com/flash-slideshow-maker-pro.html

The above is by no means to be considered as an endorsement of this company or its products...it is only suggested to give an educational illustration.

I in fact have never used this product, but do something completely similar with propietary coding. Any webmaster can produce similar code for you.
PeterDuke wrote on 8/9/2012, 4:21 AM
My criticism of most slideshows on DVD is that you have to wait for each photo to automatically step on, and you have no captions or the captions partly obscure the image. I want captions with small lettering off the image.

Now what I really want is something portable, such as a tablet computer, so that I can take it with me when I go out. When friends or family members ask, "By the way, how was your recent trip?", I can answer casually, "Well, I happen to have a few snaps with me. Care to see them?"

I have a 10" portable Blu-ray player, with a resolution of 1024x600 (I think), which shows DVDs very well. I first bought a portable DVD player but was disappointed at the poor resolution. Many portable DVD players only have a screen resolution of 480x234 or similar. This is too poor to show smallish text clearly, and would not do justice to good photos.

Another small portable device I have is a 10" netbook computer, also with a 1024x600 screen. It has a 160 GB hard drive and USB ports, but no built in DVD drive. An external drive would add to the bulk. A full sized laptop would be a bit too big to just happen to have on hand.
videoITguy wrote on 8/9/2012, 11:54 AM
PeterDuke,
Could not agree with you more about those concerns that you voice. As it turns out I worked with Kodak many years ago in starting the PhotoCD thing and we were just thrilled to step through a show on the PhotoCD player of the time. Currently many DVD and Blu-ray players implement the very same firmware to engage direct files recorded on silver media. BORING!

That is why I suggested these better implementations on the ROM portion of your discs. It works very well and is hugely popular with clients.

You are exactly correct - the portable DVD player screen is an entire waste of resolution - forget that - although portable Blu-ray players work better.

A portable netbook type of device, the best choice for you. It will play anything off the harddrive, or even a USB thumb - the very same program I am issuing on the ROM portion of silver media. So once again workflow proves a point. You create for client a full-fledged hybrid DVD/DVD-ROM disc and issue the ROM portion simultaneously for display on a netbook. All bases covered ends well.