Greenscreen revisited

Laurence wrote on 9/4/2009, 5:45 AM
I just shot my second green screen talking torso. This time I made sure to really light the chromakey backdrop so that the color was even and there were no shadows. Wow does that make it a whole lot easier.

With the better lit greenscreen I have quite different results as far as which chromakeyer works best as well. While in the last shoot with the poorly lit chromakey screen, Boris FX was the only keyer that would give me decent results, this time with better lighting, the New Blue chromakey filter seems to work quite a bit better than Boris FX.

The default Vegas chromakey filter is still nowhere near good enough to use even with the well lit screen.

Comments

Tollaksen wrote on 9/4/2009, 7:15 AM
Lighting Lighting Lighting. Your right about that. I don't have borris or New Blue Chroma keyers. But this tut really help me turn Vegas into a great Keyer.

Tech Diver wrote on 9/4/2009, 7:45 AM
I haven't tried the Newblue chromakeyer, but I've had great results with Boris Red using a combination of Chromakeyer + Matte Choker + Light Wrap. In particular, Light Wrap make the keyed images look very convincing by taking some of the replacement background image and applying it along the edges of the alpha boundary. I use it nearly everytime that I am compositing a clip that has an alpha channel.

Peter
InterceptPoint wrote on 9/4/2009, 1:24 PM
Here is a link to a quick and dirty greenscreen I did one morning following a request from my grandson. He wanted to do a greenscreen video and post it to his YouTube account.

What is noteworthy is that my "greenscreen" is about $2.00 worth of green wrapping paper taped together with Scotch tape and hung on the wall. I used the Vegas 9.0 chromakeyer. Video was via my Sony CX7 HD camcorder.

Here is the link:
cbrillow wrote on 9/4/2009, 5:05 PM
Thought is was a good tutorial, but I think the key showing him against the Vegas screen is pretty bad.
HyperMedia wrote on 9/4/2009, 8:50 PM
Boris Red is the best in Greenscreen also on stills. I used Affect Effects, Combustion and Vegas. Hands down Boris Red keyers are the best and fast. It takes less than 15-30sec a key.
Coursedesign wrote on 9/4/2009, 8:58 PM
Different source formats take different tools.

Even in Hollywood there is much arguing what's the best keyer at any price.

Primatte 4 rocks imho, but it isn't always the most time effective.

Lots of variables.
Serena wrote on 9/10/2009, 12:50 AM
This might be of interest: http://provideocoalition.com/index.php/alindsay/story/greenscreen_primer_part_1/chroma keying article[/link]
farss wrote on 9/10/2009, 5:05 AM
Certainly was of interest, thanks.
In my own efforts I discovered some of it the hard way, anything with a larger weave than Lycra is inviting problems especially when shooting HD.
Those 6' Kinoflo tubes are pretty darn expensive and don't last too long. The ballasts push them to 100W and they seem to burn out pretty quickly. Added to that to meet the safety standards the glass is covered in some form of plastic which must make them even hotter. For anyone rolling their own fixtures or even buying something cheaper than Kinos, a grid is very useful for stopping spill with fluro lights. A lot of the cheaper units have no facility to fit grids.

For those who don't have scopes the camera's zebras can be pressed into service for checking screen illumination.

Bob.
Laurence wrote on 9/10/2009, 11:41 AM
I'm working on a new greenscreen project. Everything looks great except that the guy I'm keying is wearing some frameless glasses. Every so often as his head moves, you get bit of reflection from my lights and evidently there is enough green in the flash of white that it keys out. It means several hours of patching to fix it. Aahh!
Tech Diver wrote on 9/10/2009, 12:11 PM
While visiting a media lab at Rochester Institute of Technology, I saw an interesting alternative to the green screen. On the camera was mounted a green wide-angle laser that pointed at the subject. In the background was a white cloth-like material that was coated with microscopic retroflectors (corner-cube crystals). It worked sort of like Solex safety tape. Regardless of the unevenness of the back drop or other lighting in the room, the keying was perfect. Since the reflection could only be seen directly head-on, there was no green spill onto other objects.

Peter
JackW wrote on 9/10/2009, 12:29 PM
Thanks Serena. Interesting article. I couldn't find Part 2, which may not have been written.

The author mentions the use of magenta in the back light on the subject. We've used that occasionally to good advantage, but he seems to feel it's not necessary when using green Kinos. We'll see next time we green screen.

Jack