John, John . . ..

"Actually, the title is a little short on details. " . . . . . Apologies.

"It sounds like you are having problems with the shuffle function." Yup - got that much!

"This is where you use the right mouse button ..... " yup do it all the time.

"I have tried selecting multiple events that are not next to each other, and it only shuffles one of the events." Yup, me too . . .

"However, since you mention "group" in your title, " Cheers! now you got it!

"I tried grouping two non-contiguous events . . . . . ." Why would one Group non-contiguous events anyway? Now there's a thought! You actual make a Group from events that don't follow each other . .. mmmm interesting. . .. but vaguely . . .ermmm .. don't know what . . .

"However, the results of the shuffle was a total mess. " . . .errr yeah , it would be . . .oh, I'm starting to get your drift here . .right!

"Shuffle is wonderful for moving a single event .. . . ." Yup!

Okay, try this one:-

1 - Select a series of events that look good running together, that is they form a continuous run - that's what I would and create a Group from anyway. Can't see why I would choose events that aren't connected in a series. FGHIJK not F-HI-K.

2 - Have a series of events ABCDEFGHIJK Create a group from the FGHIJK events.

3 - Then do the shuffle thing with this newly created Group, shuffling to the postion between BC.

See what happens . . .

Hope this explains more fully?

Thanks for you kind and patient thought on these matters . .. .

Regards

Grazie

I don't crash...is this a constant repro for you?

Also:

Shift+G (Select all in group),

Ctrl+ x (cut)

Ctrl + v (paste) (with ripple enabled)

seems like a better method for what you are doing. You can also split at the cursor prior to pasting if you need to. Make sense?

I didn't put BUG in the title I posted . . .

EPM, thanks for the tips I'll gove it a go tomorrow.

Grazie

Grazie and Sofo.

With the help of Grazie's expanded explanation, I tried again, and this time got it to crash. Definitely a bug. Here is the error report from the crash:

Sonic Foundry Vegas 4.0

Version 4.0d (Build 205)

Exception 0xC0000005 (access violation) READ:0x0 IP:0x4A260E

In Module 'vegas40.exe' at Address 0x400000 + 0xA260E

Thread: GUI ID=0xFA4 Stack=0x12F000-0x130000

Registers:

 EAX=00000000 CS=001b EIP=004a260e EFLGS=00010202

 EBX=021c7550 SS=0023 ESP=0012fc64 EBP=c1c52b08

 ECX=0012fc38 DS=0023 ESI=021c7550 FS=003b

 EDX=7ffe0304 ES=0023 EDI=021c7550 GS=0000

Bytes at CS:EIP:

 004A260E: 8B 18 33 FF 85 DB 7E 26 ..3...~&

 004A2616: EB 08 8D A4 24 00 00 00 ......

Stack Dump:

 0012FC64: 00000193 

 0012FC68: 02B27168  02A70000 + B7168 

 0012FC6C: 0000004B 

 0012FC70: 00000004 

 0012FC74: 00000000 

 0012FC78: 00000001 

 0012FC7C: 00226780  00140000 + E6780 

 0012FC80: 1668CBEE 

 0012FC84: 00000000 

 0012FC88: 00000196 

 0012FC8C: FFFFFFFF 

 0012FC90: 004A80F6  00400000 + A80F6 (vegas40.exe)

 0012FC94: 021CD2D0  021B0000 + 1D2D0 

 0012FC98: 00000000 

 0012FC9C: 00000001 

 0012FCA0: 00000000 

> 0012FCA4: 004B0193  00400000 + B0193 (vegas40.exe)

  0012FCA8: 02B27168  02A70000 + B7168 

  0012FCAC: 00000000 

  0012FCB0: 00000205 

  0012FCB4: FFFFFFFF 

> 0012FCB8: 77D45780  77D40000 + 5780 (USER32.dll)

> 0012FCBC: 0042AB64  00400000 + 2AB64 (vegas40.exe)

  0012FCC0: 001F040C  00140000 + B040C 

  0012FCC4: 00000193 

  0012FCC8: 0000004B 

> 0012FCCC: 0042AB00  00400000 + 2AB00 (vegas40.exe)

> 0012FCD0: 004B0193  00400000 + B0193 (vegas40.exe)

  0012FCD4: 02B270E8  02A70000 + B70E8 

> 0012FCD8: 004617D9  00400000 + 617D9 (vegas40.exe)

- - -

 0012FFF0: 00000000 

 0012FFF4: 00000000 

 0012FFF8: 0067A82A  00400000 + 27A82A (vegas40.exe)

 0012FFFC: 00000000 

I am running Windows XP Pro SP1, 512 MBytes of RAM, Pentium P4. I followed Grazie's instructions and split a single video file into multiple events. I then selected the last five of these events (I selected both the audio and video, if that makes any difference) and shuffled them over the split between events #2 and #3 on the timeline. As soon as I selected "shuffle" from the pop-up menu, I got the Vegas exception error.

Thanks JM .

G

JM I have a theory . . . . . Keystrokes work where Menu driven selections SOMETIMES don't work in a most unfortunate way.

EPM, instead of using Key Strokes, try the RIght Click Menu thingy . .

G

EPM, I've repeated the same "issue" 10 times now.

Pick the bones outta this Puppy . .. .

=====================================================

Sonic Foundry Vegas 4.0
Version 4.0c (Build 184)
Exception 0xC0000005 (access violation) READ:0xFFFFFFFF IP:0x4A265E
In Module 'VEGAS40.EXE' at Address 0x400000 + 0xA265E
Thread: GUI ID=0xF46D6441 Stack=0xDFF000-0xE00000
Registers:
EAX=00000000 CS=01a7 EIP=004a265e EFLGS=00210202
EBX=00e170f0 SS=01af ESP=00dffa9c EBP=feb66900
ECX=c17fa520 DS=01af ESI=00e1697c FS=59af
EDX=00000000 ES=01af EDI=00e1697c GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
004A265E: 8B 18 33 FF 85 DB 7E 26 ..3...~&
004A2666: EB 08 8D A4 24 00 00 00 ......
Stack Dump:
00DFFA9C: 0000025B
00DFFAA0: 036A4400 035D0000 + D4400
00DFFAA4: 00000097
00DFFAA8: 00000004
00DFFAAC: 00000001
00DFFAB0: 00000001
00DFFAB4: 00CCE8BC 00BD0000 + FE8BC
00DFFAB8: 03D15400 03C10000 + 105400
00DFFABC: 00000000
00DFFAC0: 0000025E
00DFFAC4: FFFFFFFF
00DFFAC8: 004A8156 00400000 + A8156 (VEGAS40.EXE)
00DFFACC: 012FB9D0 012E0000 + 1B9D0
00DFFAD0: 00000000
00DFFAD4: 00000001
00DFFAD8: 00000000
> 00DFFADC: 0097025B 00400000 + 57025B (VEGAS40.EXE)
00DFFAE0: 036A4400 035D0000 + D4400
00DFFAE4: 00000000
00DFFAE8: 00000205
00DFFAEC: 00000205
> 00DFFB08: 0097025B 00400000 + 57025B (VEGAS40.EXE)
00DFFB0C: 036A4380 035D0000 + D4380
> 00DFFB10: 004616C9 00400000 + 616C9 (VEGAS40.EXE)
00DFFB14: 036A4400 035D0000 + D4400
00DFFB18: 036A4F30 035D0000 + D4F30
00DFFB1C: 00000205
00DFFB20: 00000000
> 00DFFB24: 0097025B 00400000 + 57025B (VEGAS40.EXE)
00DFFB28: 036A4380 035D0000 + D4380
00DFFB2C: 00000205
> 00DFFB30: 0097025B 00400000 + 57025B (VEGAS40.EXE)
- - -
00DFFFF0: 5AE75AAE 48070000 + 12E05AAE
00DFFFF4: 89E57FEC 89E38000 + 1FFEC
00DFFFF8: BFF7A24F BFF60000 + 1A24F (KERNEL32.DLL)
00DFFFFC: 00000000


=====================================================
Nice eh . . . ???

Grazie

Grazie,

I reported this to SonyFo through their official bug form (after I posted this and you repro'd a month or so ago), and got a rapid reply. They were able to reproduce, and wanted to know how many events in a group before it crashed. For me, I could group 2 events and shuffle OK, but 3 and up produced the crash.

Greg

Thanks Greg.

You just underlined what I was just thinking. V4 can't cope with a memory thing beyond 2 events being in a group.

What does a Group mean to V4? Does it see, say 4 or 5 events and then log them into volitile memory for subsequent "shifting" to other places? It would appear that a Group is not as stable as a "rendered" avi file - meaning I can imagine that if I was to go to the trouble of rendereing out the Group to an AVI file it would be a "solid" file. No starts and stop. Just one long file.

.. hmmm .. interesting . . . thinking that V4 comes out of a music editing background, where do you think that a musician would want to group something greater than 2 events - for then shifting in a Shuffle way? Hmmm.... I can't think where this would happen . . . or could I . . very interesting Dr Watson!

. . . . . . Grazie

"You just underlined what I was just thinking. V4 can't cope with a memory thing beyond 2 events being in a group"

Say what?

I just chopped up a file into 30 events, made a group and moved them back and forth all over the timeline(s)without any problem or error.

Maybe a memory thing? How much RAM you got Grazie? I'm working with 1 GB.