Thank's

I have Sony vegas 5.0, but I'm considering jumping ship to the EDIUS NX for HDV for the power of hardware the say the render is less time consuming.
Any thoughts?



ZION

Please be more specific. Do you mean without rendering first? There are no guarantees that a timeline can be played in realtime even with a hardware accellerator such as the Matrox RT2500 or the RT .X100 software / hardware hybrid. Even the Avid system may play back the timeline slower than normal under certain conditions.

John

This is what I read on ther webpage.

The move to high definition video production impacts computing power requirements and realtime editing performance, proportionally . Although HDV and HD video can be edited on today's systems with a basic OHCI FireWire interface, the realtime editing performance is strictly limited, and lacks any true full resolution video output for preview.

The EDIUS NX for HDV solution features advanced hardware that provides editors with video acquisition and output capabilities, including high-quality, full resolution component HD / SD video output as well as hardware-accelerated line scaling and video overlay, for the ultimate realtime HD / SD editing, effects and compositing performance.

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Broad Video Equipment Connectivity and I/O
EDIUS NX for HDV's inputs and outputs provide connectivity to a broad range of analog and digital video equipment, including HDV, DVCPRO HD**, DVCPRO 50**, DV and S-VHS decks, as well as broadcast HD / SD monitors*. Connections include 4-pin FireWire, S-Video, composite, unbalanced stereo audio I/O and component HD / SD video output*.

ZION

I'm considering jumping ship to the EDIUS NX for HDV for the power of hardware the say the render is less time consuming.
Any thoughts?

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I know that the initial reviews are good but you need a powerful system probably with Dual Xenon processors and a Raid 0 setup. The cards are only "realtime" in DV mode not in HDV.

John

Vegas does not do backgroud rendering if that is what you are asking. And the render is not really "real time" either - but that too will depend on variables. Sometimes you can get faster than real time render, other times - such as trying to use Magic Bullet on your footage - will slow the render to that of a snail on holiday.

There have been many variations of how to cut HD material in Vegas. Do a search and see what you come up with. But none of the Vegas/HD solutions are really "real time" - as in HD in - HD edit with full rez, full frame playback and HD out, either to a PTT or to a render. Matter of fact any size/type footage you use in Vegas and add any sort of effects to will have to render. So, sorry to sound wishy washy, but depends on what your take on "real time" is.

That's too bad Vegas 5 is a nice program.

I'll keep researching. Thanks!

ZION

On B & H's site it says it''s real time PREVIEW. That translates into render needed. If oyu read the specs on their site, you will also see that only 28 filters in RT, so anything else will have to be rendered. You also need a 64-bit PCI slot (I've never even heard of these. My Asus MB that came out at the end of last year doesn't even say in the manual if they are 64-bitor not). It also recomends duel Xeon CPU's. You're looking at ~$6k for a computer to run it (check out www.alienware.com). Check out their compatibality chart. Only 5 MB's recomended, most look like duelies, and 2 of the 3 vid cards they recomend are PCI-Express.

Of course for $2k+, it BETTER work. For ~$10k total (including comp), it better DAMN do what it says.

Me, I'll stick with my non-RT HD on Vegas & my AMD 64, for a total cost of under $1k. :D

Spot has said (and it works) just down-convert your HD stuff to DV. Edit that. Then, when you're all done, delete the DV files, re-direct Vegas to the HD files & change your project settings to match.

Works good.

Hey thats A thought! I'll try that.

Thanks!

ZION

" Matter of fact any size/type footage you use in Vegas and add any sort of effects to will have to render. "

What is your definition of real time, I can run DV footage in my comp with multiple filters (depending on what they are - and what my preview quality is) and have real time or so close to "real time" that it sure seems to be real time to me. Maybe it takes a fraction of a second for the display to show what's being processed, but it runs at full res and at 29.97 frames per second. This is what my experience is.

Dave

This what they are saying.

Canopus Edius NX for HDV with Edius Pro 3 Software with Expansion Kit - Integrated Software and Hardware Solution for Realtime HD and SD Video Editing, Effects and Compositing with Full-Resolution HD Video Output to an HD Monitor for Preview - Win

Realtime render-free DV and analog output
> Unlimited simultaneous realtime video tracks
> Unlimited simultaneous realtime title and
graphics layers
> 30 realtime video filters
> 7 realtime audio filters
> 3D Picture-in-Picture transition
> Simultaneous unrestricted combinations for all of
the above
> High-quality 2D, 3D and alpha transition groups
with hundreds of presets
> Adobe Premiere Pro plug-in
> Component video output
> Supports PAL and NTSC video standards
> Supports 16:9 and 4:3 aspect ratios
> Supports DV, DVCAM and Digital 8 equipment
> Full YUV 4:2:2 editing and processing

ZION