HDV Scene detection

Shine wrote on 5/6/2012, 4:55 AM

I'm still with Vegas Pro 9, and wonder if the following problem is still present in Pro 11;
The scene detection makes VERY inexact cuts, and makes it impossible to use the scenes without adjusting each one of them. There will always be a part of the next scene, which must be cut away in order to use them f.i. with transitions.
Sure, I can import the footage as one single scene, but why is this scene detection so inexact? Any adjustments that can be done in Vegas to solve this?
I have Avid Studio as well, and this software makes surgical exact cuts from HDV tapes. The scenes can be used directly on the timeline with transitions etc.

Comments

rs170a wrote on 5/6/2012, 5:13 AM

Give HDVSplit (it's free) a try and see if it's any better.

Mike

Shine wrote on 5/6/2012, 6:17 AM

Hi Mike!

This small software solved the problem!
Thanks a lot!
Still I do not understand why Vegas can't do the same!

rs170a wrote on 5/6/2012, 6:24 AM

Shine, I'm glad to hear that it soled your problems.
Folks on here have been complaining to Sony about this issue for a very long time and, IMHO, with the move to tapeless recording, it's never going to be solved.

Mike

Shine wrote on 5/6/2012, 6:51 AM

No, you are probably right about that.
Though, it must be a fairly easy thing to solve for the developers, and there are loads of cameras running HDV tape out there. The fact is that they did nothing about it in earlier days either, when HDV was dominating. I'm not sure, but I think Sony is still producing cameras running tape.
I still prefer tape anyway.

Christian de Godzinsky wrote on 5/6/2012, 7:36 AM

I am one of those that have complained about this for a long time. It is totally incomprehensible how such a function in an professional application never got fixed. This bug has plagued Vegas at least since version 7. I am VERY disappointed that SCS never fixed it. It has caused me so much extra trouble.

Its pathetic that a hobbyist freeware beta program (HDVsplit) works better than a professional application!

Sony has had the reputation to get all details right, but this does not seem true for SCS... I bet that they have lots of more important bugs to fix and this bug is sitting at the end of the list (if it is there at all) since it is not a showstopper. Anyhow, this negligence just tells me about SCS quality control is lacking something... There are so many tape based systems still in use that I seriously think that the scene detection should be repaired. If there is a feature in a program, we assume that it works as intended. Whatever the feature is. If, not - it will be repaired... That's the professional way of doing things... if you care about your product and customers and take pride in what you do!

Christian

ushere wrote on 5/6/2012, 8:34 AM

+1 for christian

videoITguy wrote on 5/6/2012, 1:26 PM

A lot of people get excited about using HDV split - BUT for me, I can truly say I am a whole lot more excited about using HDLink form Cineform application. I am using it with VegasPro9.0e and it performs very accurate scene detection in it's native HDV capture.

When you use Cineform you goto a truly efficient and least-of-artifact generation in an intermediate file for editing. Hooray for HDLink!

diverG wrote on 5/6/2012, 4:12 PM

@ VideoT

Not so in my case. HDlink using scene detection creates avi files which need the first couple of frames trimming before using. No great problem but thumb nails are not clear(black stripes) when viewed in project media. Sony HD captured clips display correctly but need trimming before use. In my experience to work in avi I need capture using HDVSplit (.m2t) and convert with Neoscene. Now trialing Eduis 6 which is on offer as a cross upgrade.

End of the line with vegas for me. Cutting losses after VP11 experiences.

riredale wrote on 5/7/2012, 9:21 PM

I know we're beating a dead horse with HDVsplit since HDV is gradually fading away anyway, but man what a nice program. It's bulletproof, makes clean cuts, even names the clips by their exact date and time of shooting. Oh, and you can tell it to stop capturing if it comes across a dropped frame.

Wonder what ever happened to Paviko, the author?

Shine wrote on 5/8/2012, 4:25 AM

The HDVsplit is genious and saves me a lot of work. My tapes are normally from many different events, so I will have to sort them in different folders after importing them. In this way I make my own library from which I can collect whatever I might need for my projects. It is great to finally be able to collect clean cuts ready for use.

This is what I found about Scene detection in the knowledge base, and it relates to DV and not HDV;:

If you wish to use DV Scene Detection during Capture to its fullest, ensure that the Date/Time is properly set on your DV device when recording footage.
Ensure you're using the Microsoft DV driver. In Sony Media Software Video Capture, the device should be listed on the Video menu as Microsoft DV Camera and VCR. If it doesn't say that, then you are not running the correct drivers. This can be corrected. In Sony Media Software Video Capture you can choose Sony on the Web from the Video Capture Help menu, and then choose OHCI and DV Information from the submenu. Your browser will start and connect to the appropriate webpage.