HDV to DV issues in Vegas?

belsokar wrote on 5/13/2005, 11:02 AM
I just purchased an FX1, and shot some footage in HDV. I captured DV straight from the FX1 by using the in-camera downres mode. The DV that I captured (into Vegas 5.0) looked great. (Better than my PD150 footage) I haven't had time to really play around much in Vegas, but I did take the time to apply a couple filters, just to see how everything looked. (it all looked fine) But I wanted to verify if anyone has found that shooting in HDV, capturing DV, and editing that footage has caused any issues? I wouldn't want to take my limited testing scenario and apply it to all cases without knowing what others have experienced.

The main reason is because I have a shoot this weekend, that will be using a VX2100, PD150, and then the FX1. I would like to shoot the FX1 in HDV, and then downres to DV on capture to mix with the other footage. While I realize there will be some differences in image quality, my main concern is really if I will run into any *known* issues while editing all this footage together in Vegas?

I could just shoot in 16x9 DV on the FX1 just to ensure better compatibility if necessary, but I'd like to start collecting some HDV footage as well to demo in the future.

Thanks!

Comments

DGrob wrote on 5/13/2005, 3:20 PM
I'm shooting HDV exclusively, and downsampling to DV for most stuff. However, I'm building a local HDV stock shot inventory and playing all the HDV games with Gearshift, Frameserver, Nero Recode, and the like, just to learn what's coming. Have had no problems with HDV, despite a couple of learning curve hiccups that were my fault, not HDV's. Darryl
belsokar wrote on 5/13/2005, 5:37 PM
So is there any benefit to shooting 16x9 DV on your HDV camera? Or do you just figure its fine to shoot HDV, and downsample to DV? Any experiences mixing downsampled HDV with native DV?
DGrob wrote on 5/13/2005, 7:01 PM
I cannot speak to the quality of downsampled DV images compared to "Straight DV." But the image quality is excellant. I've seen posts that imply that the downsampling of such a large data-frame maximizes the DV output, it really is quite good. Darryl
farss wrote on 5/14/2005, 12:10 AM
We've got footage shot all over the world on DV, HDV and DigiBetacam, all 50i, 16:9. Cuts together just fine.
The biggest differences come from how it was shot, not what it was shot with.
We converted it all to PAL DV25 16:9 as that was all the editor could cope with.
The biggest quality hit the whole thing took was he rendered everything to DV and then encoded to mpeg-2, the graphics did not hold up well.
Bob.
belsokar wrote on 5/14/2005, 8:42 AM
Well, at this point, my final delivery format will be mpeg2 dvd's, are you (or anyone else) experiencing any issues with HDV shot footage, captured as DV (downsampled from the camera), and then re-rendered to mpeg2 again?
Spot|DSE wrote on 5/14/2005, 8:48 AM
You do much, much better if you let Vegas manage the downsampling, even if you're dealing with larger files. Vegas is substantially better at the downconversion than the camera is.
belsokar wrote on 5/14/2005, 2:53 PM
So you recommend capturing HDV to Vegas? The main thing is, I'm going to be mixing HDV footage with DV footage during editing...

So with that said, should I shoot and capture HDV, then downsample immediately to DV, and then mix the footage and edit?

Assuming I downsample 16x9 HDV to 16x9 DV, can I mix 16x9 DV and 4x3 DV on the same timeline? For now I'll be outputting for 4x3 tv sets, so I'll just keep my project settings on 4x3 NTSC DV output, will that be a problem?