HDV to DVD downrez problems

corug7 wrote on 8/31/2010, 10:04 AM
I'm trying to downrez 1080i HDV to 480i MPEG-2 for DVD and no matter what I do I run into the same issue. I get horrible aliasing and "sparkle" artifacts in the resulting interlaced file. I've done all the usual things: Best render, select deinterlace method, select alternate scan pattern, upper field first, etc. I've tried using some vertical blur and sharpening which helps a little but not much. I'm currently delivering the video in 29.97p because I just can't get the interlacing right. FWIW, this was a sporting event with lots of fast motion (rugby), but the original HDV looks solid. Any ideas on what I could do to fix this in the future? I've looked over past posts on this subject but I don't see the problem I am currently experiencing.

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TheHappyFriar wrote on 8/31/2010, 10:44 AM
I've done several HDV to DVD with no problems at all.

I just used the standard DVDA WS template or I would render to DV AVI first, depending on what I was doing (ie heavy heavy heavy FX I would render part to DV AVI while editing other parts of the TL).
Laurence wrote on 8/31/2010, 11:08 AM
One thing to be aware of is that the aspect ratio is ever so slightly different between sd and hd. If you start with the widescreen DVD Architect template and change the horizontal number from 720 to 704, the aspect. ratios are exactly the same and the resizing math is simpler. At 720 you have to choose between skinny pillarbox lines on the sides of the frame or a slight streching of the image which I hate to do,especially with interlaced footage. I always feel like a width of 704 pixels gives you a better looking downrez although the difference is quite subtle. I always render directly to mpeg2 because a dv codec render will reduce the colorspace resolution and dull your color. If you have to render to sd avi, use the Cineform codec instead of the dv codec because that will preserve your colorspace and avoid dulling your color.
FrigidNDEditing wrote on 8/31/2010, 12:49 PM
Workflow for good HDV to SD - DVD, use it all the time, no problems...

Make sure project is set to match the media you're using ( use the match media settings box ).
-if you change this after you've started the proejct, you're going to want to change any text media to be the same as your new project settings as well.
Render using *BEST* (not good, because best has better scaling algorithms applied).
Stretch to fill
watch and enjoy.

Dave
fldave wrote on 8/31/2010, 2:20 PM
Make sure your deinterlace method is set to "Interpolate" for fast motion.

Could it be the fields are getting swapped, which would be more obvious with fast motion.
corug7 wrote on 8/31/2010, 5:51 PM
Nope, it isn't a field swapping issue. I am getting terrible encodes for both interlaced and progressive output for DVD. Thanks for the suggestions but I think maybe I'll try another workstation. Mine seems a little quirky lately and I wonder if it is effecting the rendering as well.
amendegw wrote on 9/1/2010, 4:14 AM
" I've done all the usual things: Best render, select deinterlace method, select alternate scan pattern, This may be more of a question than an answer, but I've always used the Mainconcept DVDA NTSC template for rendering from 1080i (in my case AVCHD) to 480i, which is "lower field first" - even though the source AVCHD file and project properties are "upper field first" - is this correct?

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bsuratt wrote on 9/1/2010, 8:06 AM
Do a search on this forum as well as others. This problem, (not specific to Vegas), has been thoroughly hashed over and there is no really good answer. I have found that frameserving to VirtualDub and using deinterlacing, resize (lanczos), and sharpen filters gives a significantly cleaner output... but this is a time consuming process. This problem only manifests itself with many/rapid moving objects.

Some have found that nesting your HDV veg into a SD project and rendering helps.


corug7 wrote on 9/1/2010, 8:24 PM
I did a hardware encode to disc using a Pioneer LX-1 standalone machine and low and behold the same artifacts and nastiness were present. I guess the content is just too much for 8Mbps MPEG-2 video. I'm a little shocked as I spend most of my time at work as an encodist and I haven't seen too much I can't eek a decent picture from at 8Mbps.

Thanks for the suggestions, everyone.
musicvid10 wrote on 9/1/2010, 8:54 PM
Can you upload a short clip of your HDV and your 480i render on Mediafire, and post your project and render settings?

I'm sure you are doing everything possible, but would like to see what you are seeing closeup.