Help a newb (interlaced master)

Archaicbirch wrote on 12/15/2011, 9:44 AM
Been playing around with VMS9HD for a few months, and I have learned quite a bit.

Here is my problem...

I captured a great baseball play last summer (youth), but looking at it's specs, it's setting were not at optimal.

I screwed up and recorded at: 1920x1080 x12 60i INTERLACED! not progressive.
I have a couple of clips filmed at these settings

Not too big of a deal, but I need to zoom in, almost to the point of pixelization..

Here is my question... What are my best rendering settings to get the highest quality for youtube, and the settings for a DVD?
(i.e. what should I do about the interlaced FR?)


Thanks,
AB

Comments

Steve Grisetti wrote on 12/15/2011, 12:35 PM
No, 60i is the correct way to shoot it, Arch, if you plan to edit in Vegas Movie Studio. It can't yet work natively with 1920x1080 60p.

But what is the "x12" number after your dimensions? I've seen notation like that.

Also, have you ensured that your project properties match your source footage. What model of camcorder did you use to shoot it?

Finally, what do you mean when you say that when you zoom in you get pixelation. If you're talking about using the Pan/Crop tool to blow up your video, there's no way to avoid pixelation. Your over-rezzing your video! You can't scale it beyond 100% without getting pixelation.
richard-amirault wrote on 12/15/2011, 12:59 PM
You can't scale it beyond 100% without getting pixelation.

"beyond 100%" of what? You should be able to go beyond 100% of a HD video if your final output is SD.
Archaicbirch wrote on 12/15/2011, 2:37 PM
Thank you for the reply....

"It can't yet work natively with 1920x1080 60p"

I am confused what can not work natively at 1920x1080 60p?. I assume you mean my source footage since it is not at 60p

"what is the "x12" number after your dimensions? I've seen notation like that."

I do not know, what the x12 is for. there is always an extra X number in my clip properties. I just posted it in case it was a needed number. I assume it has to do with the frame rate somehow, because I remember it being lower on another video clip at 720 30p.

"Also, have you ensured that your project properties match your source footage. . What model of camcorder did you use to shoot it?"

I shot with a Sony HDR-CX360 Source footage at 1920x1080 x12 60i (according to Sony Pic and Movie Browser) Properties match.

"Finally, what do you mean when you say that when you zoom in you get pixelation. If you're talking about using the Pan/Crop tool to blow up your video, there's no way to avoid pixelation. "

Yes, I am trying to zoom into the action as far as I can with the zoom/ crop tool...and still be able to tell I am looking at a person. I understand there will be some pixelization. I do not know what % I am zooming to, but want to be able to zoom in a but more before total block pixalization.

I want to find out what setting I should use to render that match my 1920x1080 60i that will not be destroyed uploading to youtube.

I have rendered about 6 different ways, Some render really well, but youtube can't understand the format, or destroy the quality.

Should I render at in WMV 11 at 6Mbps HD 720 and 30P? Is that the best resolution I can get since my master is at 60i?

Should I go with WMV 8Mbps 1080x 720 AND 30P

Is there a better rendering codec I should use with my source footage settings?
Archaicbirch wrote on 12/15/2011, 2:51 PM
Here is the best version I have. (most recent) I pushed the limit of what I can accept as far as clearity and zoom

I would like to get a little better "resolution" when the video is zoomed in,

Rendered at WMV 1280x720 29FPS. No Idea what youtube processed it to...



Steve Grisetti wrote on 12/15/2011, 3:50 PM
Thanks for the illustration.

As I said above, you're not going to be able to zoom in on a spot in a video without pixelation because your video is at video resolution. When you zoom in on it, you're actually blowing it up so that you're seeing less than video resolution -- which is pixelated and fuzzy.

Suppose, for instance, your video was 72 pixels per inch. (There are no inches in video, so just supposed, for illustration's sake. ) Then you zoom in -- and now you're looking at 50, 40 or even 30 pixels per inch. It's kind of like looking at a picture in a newspaper under a magnifying glass. The bigger you make it, the more you see the dots.
Archaicbirch wrote on 12/15/2011, 4:24 PM
let me twist my own question around....

What is the optimal render settings is the source (and project) are in 1920x1080 at 60i?

I know I can not render up to 1080 60P, but I do not know what to render 60i footage to. My experiments all seem to be duds.
Steve Grisetti wrote on 12/15/2011, 9:03 PM
What are you ultimately trying to output?

A DVD? A BluRay disc?

A YouTube video?

There is an specific optimal output for each.
Archaicbirch wrote on 12/15/2011, 10:16 PM
Youtube

and also DVD.

Thank you for spending so much time on this thread.
AB
musicvid10 wrote on 12/15/2011, 10:20 PM
Although I see your needs are a little out of the norm, you should pick up some useful starting points and direction from our Vegas-to-Youtube tutorial.

You will do separate renders for DVD using the applicable templates.

Archaicbirch wrote on 12/16/2011, 11:37 AM
Great Vid, thanks.

It is a little in front of my learning curve, but I will give it a whirl.