Help, clicking and clock issues

PipelineAudio wrote on 10/14/2000, 4:38 AM
From time to time...especially when trying to chase midi
stuff, I have noticed clicks and pops in my audio...no
biggie, just do it again...but

Tonite, after recodring, I switched my gina from internal
to spdif, in the sync settings, and my tracks (recorded and
played back thru soundscape mixtreme) began clicking and
popping like crazy....

what clock is vegas locked to? always internal? is it just
my gina that was being goofy? (no surprise at lame behavior
from echo)

trying to figure this one out....

Comments

CDM wrote on 10/14/2000, 9:48 AM
It's just a guess, Aaron, but I think that Vegas just sticks to
whatever your soundcards and hardware are doing. The Midi Sync has
nothing to do with digital word sync. I used a Layla for some time
and I remember this occurring occasionally. If you have the Gina set
to SPDIF, you have to make sure whatever it is attached to is not
acting as a Master as well. What is the out of that going to? I would
suggest keeping it as Internal... Can you give more of a setup
example?

Thanks,
Charles.

Aaron Carey wrote:
>> From time to time...especially when trying to chase midi
>>stuff, I have noticed clicks and pops in my audio...no
>>biggie, just do it again...but
>>
>>Tonite, after recodring, I switched my gina from internal
>>to spdif, in the sync settings, and my tracks (recorded and
>>played back thru soundscape mixtreme) began clicking and
>>popping like crazy....
>>
>>what clock is vegas locked to? always internal? is it just
>>my gina that was being goofy? (no surprise at lame behavior
>>from echo)
>>
>>trying to figure this one out....
>>
PipelineAudio wrote on 10/14/2000, 5:08 PM


Charles de Montebello wrote:
>>It's just a guess, Aaron, but I think that Vegas just sticks to
>>whatever your soundcards and hardware are doing. The Midi Sync has
>>nothing to do with digital word sync. I used a Layla for some time
>>and I remember this occurring occasionally. If you have the Gina
set
>>to SPDIF, you have to make sure whatever it is attached to is not
>>acting as a Master as well. What is the out of that going to? I
would
>>suggest keeping it as Internal... Can you give more of a setup
>>example?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Charles.


Its really weird, I only have this problem when I am trying
to record midi instruments, never a problem when I use midi sync to
my sy-88 to record tape tracks in....who knows...


my setup on this thing, these are OBVIOUSLY problems :)
this project anyway

gina set to spdif sync....spdif in comes from midi man flying cow a/d
spdif out goes to panasonic sv3800 DAT

ok yes problem right there

recording audio tracks thru soundscape mixtreme....no recording is
done thru gina, however gina is the bus A playback device, errr
master stereo bus......

so, who does vegas chase?
as I toggle gina between spdif and internal, the sound changes....


Rednroll wrote on 10/14/2000, 9:30 PM
Seeing that you're not actually doing any recording thru the gina,
then you probably want to set the clock to "internal" on your gina
console. I don't understand why you have a flying cow a/d converter
conected to the Gina if you're not actually using it? Or maybe I'm
missing something? Also in the "preference" menu under the "sync"
Tab, goto "Advanced" and then goto MTC Output and uncheck the "use
internal timer for MTC generation" This tells Vegas to use whatever
clock your hardware is set to, to generate MTC using that clock. You
may know this already, but just in case here it is. Basically if
you're recording something in "digitally" you want to set the gina
console to "Spdif"....so if what you're recording is going through
your flying cow, which is connected to your digital In of your gina
then you want to switch to "Spdif" to receive the word clock from the
flying cow. Then when you playback audio and are transfering back to
your SV3800, you want to make sure the clock is set to "internal" on
your gina console. I have almost the same setup as you, except
instead of having a flying cow connected to my Gina digital In, I
have a TC Finalizer and then my digital out is connected to my
SV3800. Also which digital input of your SV3800 is the Gina
connected to? I'm figuring the Spdif (consumer) digital in? So goto
the windows control panel-Sytem-device manager-sound,video game
controllers-Gina. Select Gina and Hit properties and make sure under
the "settings" tab that your Spdif Output is set to "consumer". I
hope maybe some of this info will help.

Brian Franz

Aaron Carey wrote:
>>
>>
>>Charles de Montebello wrote:
>>>>It's just a guess, Aaron, but I think that Vegas just sticks to
>>>>whatever your soundcards and hardware are doing. The Midi Sync
has
>>>>nothing to do with digital word sync. I used a Layla for some
time
>>>>and I remember this occurring occasionally. If you have the Gina
>>set
>>>>to SPDIF, you have to make sure whatever it is attached to is not
>>>>acting as a Master as well. What is the out of that going to? I
>>would
>>>>suggest keeping it as Internal... Can you give more of a setup
>>>>example?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Charles.
>>
>>
>>Its really weird, I only have this problem when I am trying
>>to record midi instruments, never a problem when I use midi sync to
>>my sy-88 to record tape tracks in....who knows...
>>
>>
>>my setup on this thing, these are OBVIOUSLY problems :)
>>this project anyway
>>
>>gina set to spdif sync....spdif in comes from midi man flying cow
a/d
>>spdif out goes to panasonic sv3800 DAT
>>
>>ok yes problem right there
>>
>>recording audio tracks thru soundscape mixtreme....no recording is
>>done thru gina, however gina is the bus A playback device, errr
>>master stereo bus......
>>
>>so, who does vegas chase?
>>as I toggle gina between spdif and internal, the sound changes....
>>
>>
>>
PipelineAudio wrote on 10/15/2000, 12:51 AM


Brian Franz wrote:
>>Seeing that you're not actually doing any recording thru the gina,
>>then you probably want to set the clock to "internal" on your gina
>>console. I don't understand why you have a flying cow a/d
converter
>>conected to the Gina if you're not actually using it? Or maybe I'm
>>missing something?


no your not missing something...the flying cow was brought in and
hooked up at the customer's insistance....shhhhh, Im not really using
it (dont tell him)....maybe later in the game, well do some a/b
comparison with that thuing, but who knows


I guess what Im really wondering is....

as far as recording into vegas goes, does vegas care what clock Im
using on the gina, if I am recording on the mixtreme?

In other words, will the tracks recorded thru the mixtreme, be
affected in any way, as theyre being recorded, depending on the
gina's clock setting?

If these ARE being affected, then this is an ugly situation, and I
would ask SF to have an internal clock in vegas, or some other
solution
Rednroll wrote on 10/15/2000, 10:14 AM
ahhhh....I think I'm starting to understand your problem a little
more. I'm just not familiar with the "mixtreme". So basically you're
recording into the "mixtreme" with a digital "IN" also and the
"mixtreme" has a clock setting too? So you're wondering which one
actually takes priority? Or are you recording into the mixtreme
going in Analog?

Aaron Carey wrote:
>>
>>
>>Brian Franz wrote:
>>>>Seeing that you're not actually doing any recording thru the
gina,
>>>>then you probably want to set the clock to "internal" on your
gina
>>>>console. I don't understand why you have a flying cow a/d
>>converter
>>>>conected to the Gina if you're not actually using it? Or maybe
I'm
>>>>missing something?
>>
>>
>>no your not missing something...the flying cow was brought in and
>>hooked up at the customer's insistance....shhhhh, Im not really
using
>>it (dont tell him)....maybe later in the game, well do some a/b
>>comparison with that thuing, but who knows
>>
>>
>>I guess what Im really wondering is....
>>
>>as far as recording into vegas goes, does vegas care what clock Im
>>using on the gina, if I am recording on the mixtreme?
>>
>>In other words, will the tracks recorded thru the mixtreme, be
>>affected in any way, as theyre being recorded, depending on the
>>gina's clock setting?
>>
>>If these ARE being affected, then this is an ugly situation, and I
>>would ask SF to have an internal clock in vegas, or some other
>>solution
PipelineAudio wrote on 10/15/2000, 4:15 PM


Brian Franz wrote:
>>ahhhh....I think I'm starting to understand your problem a little
>>more. I'm just not familiar with the "mixtreme". So basically
you're
>>recording into the "mixtreme" with a digital "IN" also and the
>>"mixtreme" has a clock setting too? So you're wondering which one
>>actually takes priority? Or are you recording into the mixtreme
>>going in Analog?
>>


here you go...the Mixtreme, is a PCI soundcard that accepts 16
digital inputs in TDIF format, via two standard TDIF jacks...yes I am
wondering which actually takes priority, and whether the gina's
settings can hgave ANY effect on the mixtreme's recording....

This is a very hard topic for me to find the right words
for.....hehehe this is frustrating!



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