Here is What I did

Terry Esslinger wrote on 9/12/2009, 9:31 PM

First you cannot stabilize the footage in trimmer. You need to try something like deshaker(free) or Mercalli($).
Second What codec was used on your original footage and what format did you render to and submit to utube?

OhMyGosh wrote on 9/12/2009, 10:50 PM

Make sure 'Render loop region only' is unchecked when you render your project. Cin

musicvid10 wrote on 9/13/2009, 12:14 AM

Here is a link to a thread that details the kinds of information you will need to be able to provide in order to get any consistent help in the forums:
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=12&MessageID=660127

There is a steeper learning curve than you might imagine between one-button programs like Windows Movie Maker, and Vegas Movie Studio, which can be considered a step up to professional editing platforms.

If you are willing to invest the time and effort needed to bridge that learning gap, your experience will be rewarding, without a doubt. If however, you are just looking for a "better" one-button program, I'm afraid you may become even more frustrated than you are now.

reygato wrote on 9/13/2009, 5:45 AM

I am not exactly sure what you mean by Codec. The Footage was MPEG if that helps. As for rendering, I pushed the button that said "Make movie" and it asked if I wanted to upload into YouTUbe so I clicked yes and entered the YouTube info.

NOW The Box that said "Rendere and Upload Loop Region Only" or something like that was NOT CHECKED. Also, I am not sure how it renderes; I thought that I had it set for MPeg2, but since it is going directly to YouTUbe, That might change. Now all of the footage was showt with the same camera if that helps. Even the footage of the parts that did not transfer over.

ALSO one more thing, the Four Seconds that are on YouTUbe are not at the beginning, they are near the front. I cannot understand why Sony Vegas chose that at random, but this again, is not the first time this has happened.

reygato wrote on 9/13/2009, 6:24 AM

I read your Other Post. Wow That is COMPLICATED

SO I took one of the clips, went to PROPERTIES
Here is what I found.
Title 02-untitled
Type of File: Video Clip (.avi)
size: 1.84 MB (1,933,782 bytes)
Length 00:00:13
Frame Width 640
Frame Height 480
Data Rate 2764 KBPS
TOTAL BITRATE 2829 kbps
frame rate 30 frames/second
bit rate 64 kbps

I am looking all over the Web to see if there is a simple explanaition of Codec and a way to understand it, bear with me on that one.

AS for the Video, I added two more titles (the other did not come through) I added two more comic scenes, and here is the current product.

The Default is set to Render as MPEG2 which was what Sony Tech support instructed me to do.

What I can do If it would help, would be to videotape the computer screen and post that onto You TUbe as a raw file (which will work) You can see what the final version was supposed to be and we can go from there ?

NOW I did not do anything to the existing files; I simply added a couple of items . Total Running Time now, about a minute and a half.
Now again, this looks really cool in the preview/editing box. You are welcome to come over and have a beer and view it and tell me what is going wrong with the program between the editing box and the final render.

Actually, Hell You are welcome to come over and Have $100 and a beer and tell me what went wrong, because $100 is what a new different program is going to eventually cost me, and I'd really rather have this one working.

musicvid10 wrote on 9/13/2009, 10:35 AM

I am looking all over the Web to see if there is a simple explanaition of Codec and a way to understand it, bear with me on that one.

As was suggested, download MediaInfo and post the information about your files.

reygato wrote on 9/13/2009, 4:52 PM

I downloaded Media Info and here is what I got. THis is for the first file I wanted to use.

AVI: 1.84 Mib 13 s 743 ms
1 video stream MPEG-4 Visual (XviD)
1 audio stream ADPCM

I noticed too, that after 8 hours, that video on YouTUbe still had not processed (Probably because the running time of the completed project was 00:00
Now the time of the project on the Editing program was more like a minute and a half.

That one sure wasn't covered in the tutorials.

musicvid10 wrote on 9/13/2009, 5:14 PM

OK, you have finally taken the first step.

The XVID codec is a third party codec not included in, or licensed by Vegas.

It is a separate download, a separate license, and something you will need to install and configure (and figure how to use) yourself.

Now that we finally know what you are dealing with, perhaps someone with specific experience using this third party codec in Vegas can help you. Alas, I do not have that experience to share.

Good Luck!

reygato wrote on 9/13/2009, 5:17 PM

Well, I guess then I really am up the fecal Tributary as far as this goes then

Terry Esslinger wrote on 9/13/2009, 5:29 PM

Vegas does not get along with Xvid very well, as has been mentioned.
You need to get somewhat versed on codecs (Google and read). Such as there are many different codecs that can encode into an .avi which is really like a container.

My suggestion is to download the free program Super (Google it and when you find the web site you will be tearing your hair out trying to find the download link, but trust me it is there).

When you get Super installed use it to convert your Xvid file to something that Vegas likes (I would suggest DV.avi). When you have that file you will find that things go much smoother. When you have finished your editing find out what Utube is currently recommending for upload and render as that format. Then upload that. I do not do Utube so I can't help much there but I have seen lots of information about it, just have not paid attention.

Good luck.

musicvid10 wrote on 9/13/2009, 6:05 PM

The "Super" he is referring to is made by Erightsoft. That also may be a bit complicated for you.

Format Factory may be a better "start here" conversion program.

At the risk of seeming unfaithful to Vegas and DVDA, they are not a one-size-fits-all solution. There is a learning curve which is not necessarily suited to every consumer. As I mentioned, once that learning curve has been undertaken, the results are rewarding because you will have command of a powerful set of tools, capable of much more than just putting a video on Youtube.

I used Ulead and Pinnacle before I bought Vegas.
I found Ulead to be straightforward, simple to understand, and with good results.
I would never recommend Pinnacle to anyone, ever.
Your mileage may vary.

My busy season is just starting, so as I said, "good luck."

reygato wrote on 9/13/2009, 6:54 PM

I checked on the YouTube page and they have a listing here which includes MPEG2
http://www.google.com/support/youtube/bin/answer.py?answer=132460&topic=16612&hl=en-US

In regards to uploading Videos and troubleshooting, I looked here
http://www.google.com/support/youtube/bin/topic.py?hl=en&topic=16573
As well. I noticed that a four minute video I tried to put onto YouTube through SonyVegas was still not uploading after 8 hours; I also noticed that the run time was 0 minutes 0 seconds. I deleted and tried reuploading it, still no work. I have forwarded this back to Sony tech support
The Tech support there has been hit or miss...I know, if Sony had to make good on everything they sold, they'd be broke yada yada
Anyway, I rendered it as a Standard MPeg2 (I am not trying the High Def stuff at present) I will try uploading it directly to You TUbe from the computer. IF that works, then we have proof again of yet another problem with the vegas software that is installed on the computer.

As for the Codecs, I have a program already that transfers from avi to mpg etc I downloaded long ago when I wanted to take things off of the web and re-edit or use them in my projects, but since I ahve decided to go Only with original material, I have never used the program. (That and not havign a software program that works) Thanks though I will try altering the files before opening them in Vegas

reygato wrote on 9/14/2009, 5:55 AM

THis is the entire 4 minute 22 second film, editing done by Sony Vegas.

THis Proves that
1 I know how to use the editing Tools. Like I said before, I have no shortage of ideas and film clips. I know it is not totally "Clean" There are still some issues with sound to be addressed, and when I can get someone to send the audio tutorials (They will not open from the Sony Website) I will address that.
This proves that the CLips I have and the Music I have will work.

2 THis was Uploaded directly FROM my Computer to the YouTube Website. IT would not upload using Vegas SOftware (Where I told it to save and upload to YouTube) Just like Vegas Shortened the other clip to 4 seconds, it would not upload this one. By Not using Sony Vegas, I was able to get my work onto YouTube.

3 THis Proves then that the flaw is not with me but with the Sony Product. Just as it will not upload to YouTube, it likewise will not burn onto a DVD. My big project for today will be to find a DVD burning program that will take this 4 minute clip onto a DVD. Once I accomplish that, I will know now that I can use the Vegas Program for editing, but that it is useless ofr transferring or storing.
At least we have PART of the problem solved ...For now
SO thanks to everyone for your help so far and this WILL be continued

Terry Esslinger wrote on 9/14/2009, 9:46 AM

Vegas is a NLE - an editing program anot a DVD authoring program. You need DVD Archetect (or other) for that.

reygato wrote on 9/14/2009, 10:15 AM

Right; but the problem comes with "Saving" and "retrieving" it after I edit it. Also, my DVD architect does not work; I have been round and round with SOny to make good on that and so far they have not. I cannot use DVD architect for anything. It flat out does not work.
However, if I can getwhat I am seeing in the Editing Box onto a disc, I would be happy.

Someone pointed out too that the video is very shaky/vibrating. I assure you that the originals are NOT Like that; that is just a problem that Sony Vegas has . I am hoping the new program, Corel or Adobe, will not have that flaw.

Byron K wrote on 9/14/2009, 12:37 PM

Interesting video lots of nice colors and festive atmosphere. A deshaker or stabilizer would have greatly enhanced the viewability.

Really a shame that Sony doen't offer a deshaker effect for us amatures.

Unfortunately, I had to recommend a competitor's product to a friend who also had a lot of shakey video and told him that vegas is NOT for him after viewing his videos. :(

reygato wrote on 9/14/2009, 5:15 PM

I am going to look for a Deshaker. The raw clips are not as shaky either, Vegas seems to accentuate that