** sorry people! Stupid double post by me . . not concentrating! * *

He could then make a further BIN of UNUSED EVENTS and use this Bin or series of sub bins as his working bins. I haven't tried this - I think - but couldn't he then go to ALL Media sort again for those which have a greater than zero flag and then "move" them to the USED bin. Would this then "move" the previously unused media FROM the UNUSED BIN to the USED bin? What this gives you - Omar - is a bin of UNUSED Media but you would still have your online material within the project AND available for further use - they would be lurking within the USEWD Bin. It all depends on this sorting and moving from ALL media to USED Bin.

In the past I've had issues with moving media about from bins to bins. But recently this is much better. I also use the new Media Manager more often to collate and sort media.

Good question Omar! Interesting . .

Grazie

Yeah! the concept of creating used and/or unused bins makes sense and it's working fine.

I'm now using a "used" bin, throwing in there footage that's already used in a track; that works fine for me currently.

thanks guys!

Groovy Omar . .groovy! - G

Grazie, got any idears for this one? I'd like a feature in which, whenever the use count drops to zero, the clips are automatically purged from project media pool. Personally i use explorer to keep track of all my media as i find it much more useful than the project media pool window. Problem is, since i don't pay attention to the project media pool window i end up with all my deleted stuff still hanging around. Worse yet, when i do test renders and plop them on the timeline temporarily to look at them, they get added to the project media pool too even though they're never intended to be part of the project. Later i'll find myself rendering with 11.7 hours to go, needing to clean up some disk space, and unable to delete a bunch of stuff still being referred to by Vegas because it's in the project media pool. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr. So, do i cancel a render i've already invested hours in? Or do i put off working on the next project until that render is done? Neither is a happy alternative.

OK, true, i can use the "clean media pool" button. But i'd have to have remembered to do that before i start the render. My point is, why should *I* have to manually maintain a feature i never use and isn't useful for me?

Hmmmm. Maybe i can talk SONY into adding a option in the Save dialog box to clean the media pool when saving. Make this option "sticky" so it remembers my choice. This would work for me, since i always save before doing a render.

YES Kelly - I'm another one who works from Explorer.

- it would be great to at least have the option to "Clean Media Pool before Saving", especially if this does save rendering time.

d-double p-post - s-sorry - g-got the G-Grazie v-virus and c-clicked t-twice.

If one would open the veg on a NEW instance of Vegas AS a nested project, the new VEG project would in fact be empty, would this speed up renders?

I'm a bit confused about leaving stuff about and that it would increase renders?

Grazie

Johnny Roy made a script for me for this, and I think he improved on it . Gonna see if I can find it....

I have the script its called "unused tomediabin" it creates a separate bin with all media you have not yet used on the timeline.
Ultimate S 2 has something simialr but I have never been able to get it to work, I think its supposed to work withthe media manager but Im unable to open the file I save with it.

I could probably email you the script if you want, I looked but didnt see it on the Vasst site.

Excalibur also has a couple options for this:

1) Place all unused media onto a new track
2) Place all unused media into a new bin

Nah.

Making it easier to work in the Vegas explorer at the expense of the media manager is the wrong way to go. Why? Because other NLEs use bins and if you want to draw new users from other systems then you need to have good features that they're familiar with.

The better course is to look at the reasons people use the Vegas Explorer and then add those features to the media pool. Here's what I'd add, off the top of my head:

--Independent floating bins (So I can peel off several bin windows and put them out on the desktop)
--Automatically add regions to the pool (This seems to be the main reason that people use the Vegas Explorer. You can't see Regions from the pool, and you can't see subclips from the Explorer. It seems like people use regions over subclips, probably because the regions don't have hard heads and tails)
--the Media Pool's "Explore Containing Folder" command should make the Vegas Explorer go to that folder, not the Windows Explorer. (What is this, a turf war between the the Vegas Explorer coders and the Media Pool coders?)
--The Media Pool should include some default bins for your saved presets. (And you should have the option of saving and even emailing these, Like you can save all sorts of settings as file objects in Photoshop)
--You need to be able to choose poster frames for all the clips, subclips, and region objects.

I'm sure there's much more. Some smart and clever use of regions and subclips is certainly in order, including rethinking the concepts a little bit. It's fine to base both pool incarnations on the region you set in the trimmer but make both capable of holding media FX and make one open ended and the other fixed-ended. Also, give the objects some sort of visible cue that they have media FX applied to them.

Rob Mack