didnt take long did it..
feelings of dejavu kick in as i trudge along to the download section.......

is this what we can expect from every release? i mean the issues which have come to the fore should have been issues which were picked up by testing... wouldnt it?? i mean Cineform not rendering.. or vidcap crashing... or building peaks nuking itself...

hmm....

I think i might wait for 7b...

Every NLE is a quite complex software tool. New features bring in the risk for new bugs - and the perfect software is an illusion.

But what you can expect is that in an upcoming update Vb the bugs will be corrected. At least we know that from history.

Every NLE is a quite complex software tool. New features bring in the risk for new bugs - and the perfect software is an illusion.

((But you see, what were hearing is bugs from OLD features... perfect software? no such thing.. near damn close. yes.. and at this time Vegas 6 is it.. for me anyway... the only thing it doesnt do is make me coffe and give me a blw job, but i can live with that.. ))

But what you can expect is that in an upcoming update Vb the bugs will be corrected. At least we know that from history.

((well this again is an issue as with history, one would expect these concerns to be bought to the fore prior to release... I mean we al know what kind of farce 6 was upon release... but hey, shit happens.. in the end, theyll fix it right... fair enough..

but are we, as users and loyal followers, following blindly?
How much leverage do we give before we stand up and say.. hey look dudes.. we know ur doing a great job with Vegas and all.. but theres this ongoing prob when u launch this ...
Whats up with that?
Isnt it a legitimate question?

instead of giving us headachs. why dont u take ur time and fix the bastard BEFORE its a public joke... make sure it works a treat.. make sure that your iron is hot... release it and sit back and pour yourself a scotch and spark up a cigar...
hell im happy to wait 2 years IF those 2 yeas were dedicated to making vegas better than what it is and better than what v7 promises to be

Seems to me that V7 is what premPro1.5 was to prempro...

Of course, but this was an 18 month cycle (versus the usual 10-12 month cycle) One would think that by time of release, there should only be a couple of minor bugs.

Well, we waited 1.25 years for enhancements that are mostly performance improvements (with the exception of XDCAM support). Given that wait and the fact that there are NOT a lot of new and wanted features, you would think that the one thing the upgrade would offer is STABILITY combined with much better performance since that's what this upgrade is all about. But that is far from the case. IMHO, this is the most disappointing version of Vegas we have seen - supposedly improved, but there are some major bugs that should have been caught, and the solution for at least one of them is to spend even more money on a new version of cineform. No thanks. The only group that impresses me so far is VASST because they are not nickel and diming us for versions of their software to work with V7 (even though I'm sure it took them some effort). Sony needs to START listening to their customers.

Here's a thought.... I wonder if the development work right now is going into Vegas 8 that will work on a 64 bit, soon to be released (soon meaning within 6 months or so) Vista version. Perhaps this is just a version to "hold us over" untill the larger changes come in 64 bit land.

Funny to see you complaining about a product that you do not own and have not tried. I downloaded the trial, saw that it worked great, and bought the upgrade. Have worked on 2 projects, 1 DV and 1 HDV and everything has worked smoothly with no problems.

Every single NLE has had issues - out of all the ones I've used (and I've used them all) Vegas stands head and shoulders above all the rest in terms of stability.

In the meantime we all wait with breathless anticipation to see if you upgrade now or wait for 7b. Oh whatever will he do?!? I don't think I'll be able to sleep tonight.

Here's a thought.... I wonder if the development work right now is going into Vegas 8 that will work on a 64 bit, soon to be released (soon meaning within 6 months or so) Vista version. Perhaps this is just a version to "hold us over" untill the larger changes come in 64 bit land.

If that is the case, there will be a lot of angry users out there- paying for 2 updates within a 6 month period. I do not think this will be the case. If it was, they would have made a 6e version and gave it out free and in 6 months charged for the upgrade.

j razz

Vegas 6 works beautifully on 64 bit XP. So far Vegas 7 does too (except that you must install .NET 2.0 separately, before you launch V7 installer). I haven't done much with V7 yet, but so far it looks good for XP x64. Only problem (not a small one) is that they don't officially support it.

Whether we like it or not, we're always the last round of beta testing.

I once read in one of Microsoft's annual financial reports that they don't report all the revenues from sales of a new OS until after one or two full service packs, because they don't consider the job complete until after they've resolved enough incoming bug reports. This is largely because there are so many different hardware and software configurations out there that they couldn't possibly replicate them all in a QA lab. I don't like this policy, but they don't ask for my approval :-)

Vegas is not an OS, but I bet there are lots of things we users do that their QA team wouldn't know of or consider. This doesn't excuse anyone from letting big things slip, but it is a reality.

I'm pretty much happy as a pig in mud. I just wonder how many 2 liter Pepsi's and Pizza's they go through.

JJK

"Whether we like it or not, we're always the last round of beta testing."

For some reason that reminded me of the Mark Twain comment: "No man's life, liberty or property are safe while Congress is in session."

But lately both are true.

That said--I ordered the upgrade. Because I trust the Madisonians to make it right in time. That and--

"With native support for 24p, Vegas 7 software allows you to capture, edit, and render 24p for DV, XDCAM MXF, HD-SDI and more. Export 24p MPEG-2 for use in DVD Architect, create 24p DV, XDCAM HD and HDCAM masters, or create 24p files for conversion to film."

The cheapest Avid NLE I could buy, that will do half of that, is $1,700.00.

7.0a is what I downloaded as a trial on day 1. If it's an update, it was posted in the first 12 hours of Vegas7's public life.

Is it time for a new freak-out session?

Rob Mack

You realize that most versions of Vista will still be 32bit? Where is the mandate for a 64bit version of Vegas?

Rob Mack

Hmmm. Funny you should mention the idea of an upgrade in the next 6 months. Not that i know anything, but assuming they address HD DVD and Blue Ray, soes that warrant another version upgrade?

Seems a little much for a point upgrade but users may not swallow a version upgrade that soon.

Rob Mack

With respect to michaelshive...exactly...try it before you complain.

If anyone remembers the Sound Forge 8 release, the initial was SO buggy it was practically unusable.

7.0a of Vegas...so far so stable. I've already put together a couple of little projects. No problems capturing with a VX2000...rendering out to MPEG2, and print to tape. Nice.

The snap-to stuff is fantastic...and the little enhancements are fine.

As an added bonus, some of my supply video is coming on xdcam so now, I can actually work with the latest and greatest. For the upgrade price, it's a no-brainer. And I've always liked DVD Architect (if you have the time to spend really putting together cool elements...it's a monster to produce some real polish).

"instead of giving us headachs. why dont u take ur time and fix the bastard BEFORE its a public joke... make sure it works a treat.. make sure that your iron is hot... release it and sit back and pour yourself a scotch and spark up a cigar...
hell im happy to wait 2 years IF those 2 yeas were dedicated to making vegas better than what it is and better than what v7 promises to be"

DJPadre, well, please tell that sony not me. I am the wrong adress for that.

By the way - how many minutes did it take you to come to your conclusion? Serious testing of the new version is not possible in the time-span between the launch of R115, and your comments.

Tom Pauncz, as you may now know after reading rmack350's post, Vegas 7 was officially released as 7.0a, we never officially saw 7.0. It's not for certain why it was released 7.0a, but here are my two explanations. I'm 99% sure what I'm about to assume is true.

Reason 1: Sony Vegas 7.0 discs have already been produced without the a update, meaning anyone who buys the disc will need to download the update. This could explain why, when I was reading the SCVUG forums today, Jay Mitchell posted that the 7.0a update was available. I assume that Jay was already beta testing it, and wasn't aware that we were aware of 7.0a. Another piece of evidence is the .zip someone leaked half a day before the it came out; that release was 7.0 and not 7.0a. Whoever posted it obviously ripped the files off the CD-ROM that was passed out to beta testers. This is evident because the release wasn't the regular Sony single-executable archive, but rather, they were spread out like they might be on say, the CD-ROM.

Reason 2: One thing I've learned about eccentric usebases like Vegas's is that they always say they'll "wait around for the first patch". So, if the first release is 7.0a then some stalling purchasers might feel more compelled to buy into something that looks to have been through the first cycle. Obviously 7.0a was the first release (perhaps due to my first reason), and the marketing guys had to know that giving it the a gave those potential customers a false sense of security. I don't mean to sound harsh with the phrase false sense of security, but honestly, it's true; the first release was 7.0a, the a means nothing to us. It's just version 7.0.115. They could have released the update without throwing that in there. Of course, they could try to make the argument that the a is easier to remember for updaters, but you've got to know that they at least thought about the implications in advance.

i AM telling it to sony... mate, im speaking metaphorically...

"testing of the new version is not possible in the time-span between the launch of R115, and your comments"

Fair point.. but im not talking about specifics here...
Im not talking one element over another.. im speaking in general terms with regard to the way this programs has been managed since Sony took it over..
It HASNT been managed.. and IMO if i was sony, i would be embaressed to launch a program of THIS calibre on a market as protective as this one... like car owners, editors are so intimate with their tools, that its an insult to the loyal user.
Personally i been using since V1 when it was Vegas Video and Vegas Audio.. before it was a though.. a consideration.. people didnt even know it existed FFS...
THIS is what i mean by loyalty..
Sure im a hard arse now... but ive stuck with Vegas through thinck and thin and im sure many others here have as well...

As users, we shouldnt be insulted. Our intelligence and NEED for resolution and results is paramount to THIS programs success'. Be it workflow, encoding, formats... everything ....

Like i said, id rather wait a year or 2 for a PROFOUND improvement as opposed to these elements which could have easily been added to V6 as paid updates....

As for my own testing, im not going to jump to V7 like i did with V6 which took out all my plugins upon uninstall, rendering them useless to the older version of vegas, as well as Cubase (i use using VST plugins before it was "official" It also took out Sonar, and Acid Pro, as well as Sondforge....
.
To salvage THAT installer gripe, i had to run a system restore... which is no bad thing, but not everybody uses system restore, so as they uninstalled V6 not only were they left waiting for the issues to be rectified (fair enough, they were) but in the meantime, their wokring tools were nuked (as V6 took out their plugins upon its removal...)

I DO NOT HAVE A CONCLUSION as you put it...
and i wont..
Not until i hear that these issues are resolved.
I do not have the time nor the patience to pay for a program and "test" it AFTER launch... expecially for a company which looks upon its users as testers.. were not testers... were licensees, and the program in which we license, should do wht it says it does, if not better than....

:ets face it.. what weve had is a company which does not consider the ongoing isuses which have been bought to the fore over the years and has proven to be disregarding details which may improve its structure of its programs

They ARE good programs, but like everything, there is always room for improvement.
lets face it.. its a cheap program.. it doesnt cost a second mortgage and 99% of teh time, it does what it says it does..
V7, i wont comment as like i said, for what i hear now, i cant afford the time or the risk in its failure.
At this time, until these failures are rectified, i'll be hanging onto my cash and onto my sanity...

I wont make teh same mistake i made with V6.. Most of us jumped.....
But this time, im making sure the parachute is strapped on tightly....

Jonathan, your explanation is *almost* correct. Good thought process there.
As with any software company, a point must be made where a master needs to be created for early press distribution and early boxed versions.
This is what the files on the web were ripped from. Beta testers don't get DVDs, they download. Build 115 was only available to us shortly after IBC started, and 115 is 7a.
Posters have been commenting on this early build. This isn't unique to Sony, Adobe and Apple have done the same on several occasions.

Thanks for sharing a little about the process, DSE! I really admire the guys at Madison. I only wish I was qualified to work for them; that would be a dream job. It's still fun being a fan; as I've grown more fascinated with Vegas I've learned the product in&out on the user level and behind-the-curtain. Next step is getting my certification (I Hope)!

About my post, I assumed that the leaker was working off of a CD because he re-zipped the setup files, poorly. It makes sense, he got an advanced copy of the print; are all the prints this way?

On a side note, it's very impressive to read the change log for Vegas and know that all the work took place somewhere basically between June and September. Very impressive! I apologize if I sound strongly toned sometimes, everyone should take my comments with a grain of love. I'm a veggie for life. :)