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Simon, I see you are no stranger to cheap language either.
Tor

The list price for V4 is only $100 more than VV3's current list price. Considering how much more it offers, it seems a reasonable increase.

I would have thought that the outright price of Vegas 4 would be a moot point! Most of us want to know the upgrade price to the Vegas/DVD Architect package or just to Vegas 4. Sofo are usually quite generous in this regard and tend to give upgraders a v nice price for the first month or so. Fingers crossed anyway ;)

I'm interested in the upgrade price as well and was just looking to this reported list price as a guide. I hope the email upgrade offer is as good as past offers.

Release date upgrade price for ACID 4.0 was quite affordable, likely VV4 will be in the 199 - 299 range but we must test the Beta DVD creation tool before buying into it.

Peter

Can someone who knows the direct link to the beta download - please post it... I can't find it either

I've been looking forward to vv4 for some time. I acquired VV3 luckily at an educational discount since I work at a college, and am eagerly anticipating the upgrade info. It's ironic that the upgrade might cost more than I actually originally purchased VV at a discount :) Even then, I don't mind that.

But...having said all that, I'm PRAYING the upgrade price stays within the $150-$250 range. Anything higher and I might be sleeping on the couch (or worse, in a hotel).

Pete

I really don't care what the cost is as long as it isn't over $1000.00.
Just send it to me.

James J. Kizak

Si, when was the last time you paid MSRP for ANYTHING??
I think you might be forgetting the fact that this is a PRO app. It doesn't seem that bad, depending on the expected return on your investment.
If you're a hobbyist, you don't really have the right to complain about the cost of an app that is intended for people who will use it to earn a living. Powerful tools are required to get the job done. Well, powerful tools cost money. We're always given the option to buy Video Factory. Fewer tools, cheaper price.
I'm a hobbyist who hasn't even scratched the surface of VV3, so I'm not going to be upgrading. I'm not going to complain about the price of V4 either.
Compare the specs of V4(when available) to similar priced software and then see if it is overpriced or not. That's about the only way to tell.
If someone is earning a decent living with these tools, they'll be glad to invest I think.
Here at work, the CAD programs cost thousands. The machine I program and operate cost 150,000$. The tooling for that machine cost 15,000$. The hourly rate for this machine is 60$/hour...and we still make a profit!
So please, factor everything in when you discuss the purchase price of software. Theoretically, people using this software will have a return on their investment.

¢¢

Can someone who knows the direct link to the beta download - please post it... I can't find it either

It's not posted yet. It should be available shortly.

Ted

I think they should increase the price to be competitive in the editing apps marketplace. I've never heard anyone complain about the pricing for Final Cut. In fact the advertizing on it was such that it made the price appear to be a bargain.
Vegas is an excellent product and needs to be taken seriously. When an editing product is under the $400 range it is viewed as being and inferior product "not high end".
Besides us current users will pay an upgrade fee.

i really think Sofo should have increased the price to like 800+ for vegas 4. for the features it has and the additional FX. it is a PRO software and shouldnt be taken too lightly. i cant see the big guns like avid xdv and fcp going near this one.

In approximately a year and a half I have gone from purchasing Vegas Video 2.0 at a retail store to upgrading online to Vegas 3.0 (albeit at a reduced cost). The price of this new upgrade definitely matters to me. If I am reading some of these posts correctly some of you are asking to be charged MORE for the upgrade. ????????????

John

Pricing aside, I see this beta announcement as very good news, as it seems Vegas 4 will be sold by (and supported by) good 'ol Sonic Foundry (not Corel etc.)

If I had to choose, I'd rather have a more expensive Vegas from SoFo than a cheaper Vegas from some buying company.

G

If I am reading some of these posts correctly some of you are asking to be charged MORE for the upgrade. ????????????

Strange, isn't it. I understand there is a certain cache that accompanies the use of expensive (read: professional) products, but I would prefer the other manufacturers lower their prices to match SOFO's, so that these tools can be within the reach of more artists. Ultimately, the distinction between dilettante’ and expert is actual talent and know-how, not the perception of quality based on price. And yes, I'm aware that opinion goes against the grain of popular thinking.

If you read what i said in my original post i said:

"thats too much for ME"

not too much for the software, not too expensive, just too much for me, i use Vegas as a hobby, dont make a penny back on anything i do with it.
It took me nearly 5 months to save up to buy Vegas 3 after using Video factory for 12 months(and i didnt go the upgrade route!)

I realise this forum is filled with people who can and will buy Vegas 4 and in a few months, maybe weeks will get there money back from it in services and goods they've produced by using it, ide love to be in that position, unfortunatly its not the case.
Does that mean i should be using the forum aswell??

Kind Regards
Simon

I hope you belong here, 'cause I'm in the same boat you're in.
The expletives led me to think you were saying it was too much for the PRODUCT.
I think quite a few of us(hobbyists) will be sticking with VV3, so we should be able to keep seeing posts regarding it for awhile.

M

Don't give up hope. SOFO always has incredible upgrade deals for existing customers. I got SoundForge for $199 with the noise filter last update just because I had SoundForge XP. My guess is that the upgrade prices will be very fair. I, for one, hope that SOFO charges enough that they can make some profit and stay in business and work their way up to Vegas 5.0 at some point. I like the product enough to pay at least as much as I would for the "P" product so $699 is very fair. Other DVD authoring environments (that are worth anything) are easily in the $200-$300 range so I think their pricing is right in line with the market. They also have Video Factory for those who don't want professional grade products, but do want to stay with the SOFO look and feel.

Tom

Hi Rique & thanks!

Agree 100%! Rather then get into the same old argument, I'll simply site history...

In the early 90's the professional mindset in DTP & Printing was to keep the prices of software etc. high, & the riff raff out. Since then the pre-print houses have seen shall we say a little slump, while the more egalitarian services catered to biz, grew nationally in the US, and now pretty much dominate in every day dollars and cents. At the time Pagemaker was a standard, MS Office was a toddler, and there were not the dozens of capable & cheap publishing programs we have today. There were also DTP folks back then whom could make a living fairly easily.

Recently Adobe came up with an update to Pagemaker -- the 1st in about a decade -- aimed at competing for the market they handed over to Microsoft. They've also apparently learned a lesson (too late?) & have priced the upgrades to P/Shop 7 lower then they've ever been (I *think* list is lower as well). If you read anything re: graphics, anywhere, P/Shop used to be THE standard... After years of high priceing, companies like Jasc have taken a huge slice out of P/Shops market.

What happened to all those web developers who I'll politely say set their rates a tad high? Simply put, whether one believes an elitist mindset is justified or not, in the majority of cases (& I could point out many, many more) it just doesn't work. As for those folks asking to pay more, all we commoners can do is hope for the opportunity to sell them something some day, knowing how generous they are.

That all said, We'll just have to wait and see how Sonic sets their pricing, & what they've given VV4. If we feel it's worth the price, we'll buy it if we can. If not, well that's the problem Sonic is probably wrestling with right now.

mike

I think they should charge MSRP $20,000 so people will think its an incredible program. Remember, perception is everything.

Of course, I'm hoping for an upgrade of $99 as I already know that this $20,000 app is fantastic.

"I think they should charge MSRP $20,000 so people will think its an incredible program"

Thats one of the main reasons that quoting a MSRP (or RRP as its known in the Uk)w as banned 2 years ago!!
regards
Simon