How about . .view last position?

Grazie wrote on 11/14/2006, 2:03 AM
How often do you try and "LocateBack" to where you were? I do!

Yes we have UNDOs, not speaking of that much "Grazie-needed" option, but just going BACK to what I was looking at.


Something like the last 4>6 manoeuvres. I kinda VideoFile of my ACTUAL work activity? I'm just being aware of the time I spend going BACK to where I was.

Is this silly?

Just an idea . .. I know I'm going to be accused of being "Mr Bloat" - bite me, why don't yah!

Seriously, I think it would assist?

Comments

apit34356 wrote on 11/14/2006, 2:48 AM
are you talking about snapshots of the screen at the undo points?
Grazie wrote on 11/14/2006, 3:08 AM
No, no I wasn't - but THAT would be cool too! - I was thinking more along the lines of a kinda actual REVERSING of the steps I had got to. Now this could be over the past 40, or so, keystrokes that I could play back? But that is getting close to UNDOs . . I'm not looking for UNDOs, it is more an actual position: "I WAS working on the timeline several events/positions ago, now where was I?" . . almost as IF I was retracing my steps - yeah? Snapshots would be neat, but I was wanting an actual LIVE cursor to come back at me - yeah?

In any event, I would NOT expect to have ANY of this saved over an extended period - just to be able to reverse-out of a "positional" situation say for the last so many Timeline movements - yeah?

Thanks for your feedback though, it has made me "hone" my idea/s further.

farss wrote on 11/14/2006, 3:47 AM
I get it, a GPS for Vegas that can backtrack so we can find our way home!

apit34356 wrote on 11/14/2006, 3:48 AM
a simple keylogger could recorder and display the last 40 keys, but you would want the left,right click or any external controller settings too. there are many screen capture programs,
but that would increase cpu & disk overhead, that would do what you want.
Grazie wrote on 11/14/2006, 4:08 AM
Bob got it! - And yes a kinda key logger that WOULDN'T undo the functions part - yeah?
farss wrote on 11/14/2006, 4:25 AM
Grazie me old mate, I think we'd all like such a thing and not just for Vegas, eh?
A kind of 'how the heck did I end up here and where have I been the last 50 years'. Come to think of it Bush, Blair and Howard seem to be in need of such a device at the moment. Kind of like ' ah,ah, ah, don't quite remember how we got into this unholy mess of a war but trust us, we'll find an honourable way out of it'.

I think it's called being organised, but that and creativity seem to mix like oil and water.

Bob.

Grazie wrote on 11/14/2006, 5:10 AM
I think it's called being organised, but that and creativity seem to mix like oil and water.

On this matter, I have to disagree. I'm suggesting a way to improve for all concerned.
JJKizak wrote on 11/14/2006, 5:31 AM
Just rambling on but this might consume huge amounts of memory already sorely needed in V7.

JJK
farss wrote on 11/14/2006, 5:35 AM
Well I'm not entirely knociking the idea.
I only recently discovered a great feature in the VBA editor, I've used this thing for years so you'd think I'd have found it before this.
Anyways, under View it has "Definition", i.e. take me to where the function, variable or whatever is defined, now that's very handy but you can easily find yourself suddenly shot off anywhere.
But here's the nice bit, again under View, "Last position", so you can leap off somewhere to check something and came back to where you were, thank you Bill!

Now I have to agree with what you're asking for, I get quite frustarted at how the Vegas cursor works, more so when fiddling with audio. lots of zooming in and out, looking at waveforms etc. But audio is much worse than video, you really need to play it out, no 'freeze frame'. So I'm somewhere on the T/L and I think I've found the right place looking at the waveforms but I need to play the next second or two just to check. Problem is I'f I'm really at the right place I've now lost it. Oh yes I could put a marker there but that's a few keystrokes too many and I'd soon end up in Marker Madness.

Now yes I do know that I can change how the cursor performs but I need a combination of those two options, I play out along the T/L, hit Space when i hear something wrong, Drag the cursor back to where I think the problem starts judging by the waveforms and Play from there again. What I desperately need is Return to Last Position function for the cursor, would dramatically help my workflow.

No doubt the previous 50 cursor positions would be very easy to buffer into a FIFO, say use a arrow key / ctl /alt or whatever key combo to jump back to previous cursor positions.

Bob.
BrianStanding wrote on 11/14/2006, 6:42 AM
Well, there's the backspace key in Vegas. That cycles you throught the last several in/out selections you've made. Not quite the same thing, I know, but same idea.
AlanC wrote on 11/14/2006, 7:00 AM
Grazie, Perhaps this will help
Zulqar-Cheema wrote on 11/14/2006, 7:10 AM
Grazie, get that video camera out on its tripod and start recording yourself as you work, you can then rewind to see what you was up too. Obviously you will need two cameras so you can see what you was doing, when your seeing what you are doing.

this also keeps us up with the CCTV camera population that we need to increase
DavidSinger wrote on 11/14/2006, 7:11 AM
In FrameForge 3D (excellent storyboarding software) they have the same sort of need, but from a camera's perspective. Think of the camera operator taking a step or two back to see the entire picture outside the camera frame, then stepping up to look in the viewfinder again.

"How the heck did I get here?" is always a good question to ask. Many times I've wanted to go back, thinking I was lost, only to realize that I was where I should be, but then I couldn't un-goback to the point of progress.

So the tool needs to not only "zoom out for a bigger picture" but "autozoom back in to the point where I questioned my sanity."

In theory, undo and redo fill the bill, but unfortunately some actions don't undo/redo. Track select, as an example.

I bet a key-logger virus would serve this function well, if Vegas could only read same ("Step back X number of actions, one step at a time. OK, now step foreward X number of actions, one step at a time, or jump foreward")

I'd suggest assigning a separate jog wheel to the key-logger virus. Just roll the wheel either direction. Or maybe hot-key the JKL function to toggle between current Vegas rules and the key-logger virus.

I'm bettin an 8yr old hacker can do this by hijacking a virus, tweeking it, selling it to us as a third-party function, laugh all the way to the Cayman Island Bank.

But then maybe not. Vegas needs to have a series of go-back points. Now that I think more of it, I'd want to go back a few, then opt to *change* what I entered and continue editing from there (identical to the "back/fwd" implementation in browsers and selecting pages).
apit34356 wrote on 11/14/2006, 4:51 PM
A keylogger program with variable circular buffer from 40 -300(based on user perf.s) key events or right/left clicks,(where mouse pos' is stored and a screen image snapped). A few other keys could be "set" to made a screen image also.
vicmilt wrote on 11/14/2006, 9:07 PM
I seldom have this problem but here's why (I think) -

I "save as" continually Ver1, Ver2, Ver3 - a LOT. 20 or 50 versions is nothing to me. And why not?
It doesn't take any space
It's easy to do
It gives me "fall back protectiion"
And in the event of a bad corruption, I'm not that far away.

Further -
Generally the above is just save as, save as, save as, etc. ever so often.
But sometims I KNOW that I'm "stepping of the edge" - "this probably won't work, but..."
Those I "save as" with an XXX
So Ver 27 (highly experimental) becomes Ver27xxx which means it was "crazy" it if works, it becomes Ver28. If it doesn't, it just lays there and I resubmit Ver27 to work off of.
I also add "important news" to various versions;
Ver48AddTitles
Ver122SloMotionHere
Ver111AddVincentVO
I never get lost.
v
Grazie wrote on 11/14/2006, 10:52 PM
Victor, no. And if I too have misunderstood, I apologise.

Please read on . . . .

It is not about "saving" generations of projects, and what you outline IS an excellent way of doing it. No, it is purely, solely about the last, maybe 20 or 50 seconds of "activity" and locating-back WHERE I was. Have you never had to rummage about on the timeline to see where you had come from? All I'm suggesting is a slick way to roll-back the cursor to a position - WITHOUT loosing my actual "editing" - and re-locate where I had come from. It is purely this. Nothing more and nothing less. I also have a feeling that IF this taken up by Madison, a kinda real-time replay of editing activity, this may/might have a certain value to our scripting-boffins too! Think about repetitive editing processes? Think about replaying editing manoeuvres to remind one of WHAT one did? Think about replaying a manoeuvre that you WANT to slightly alter? I'm starting to see opportunities beyond just my "narrow" wish for a "coal-face" aide memoir - yeah?

And yes, I too make generational, incremental veggies. I am guilty of being a serial Vegists!!

MH_Stevens wrote on 11/14/2006, 11:49 PM
What Ii would like and it may help with this question, is a "revert to last saved position' button.

Grazie wrote on 11/15/2006, 12:18 AM
Great idea! But again, I'm calling for a "previous" Cursor/Function position. It is purely a navigational and function-applying recall. Nothing more and nothing less.

But, yes, great idea of yours - luv it!

Grazie wrote on 11/15/2006, 12:20 AM
Actually, MH, I just realised that the UNDOs don't have the "Save" as an Undo-note. Now if there WAS a note of this, then one could ostensibly UNDO to this or just before this point? Yeah?!?
FuTz wrote on 11/15/2006, 3:38 AM
Kind of a History palette (like in Photoshop) that could become a dockable window in Vegas maybe ?
Or a switchable "cursor memory recall" that would show the last 5 cursor locations on the timeline, like 5 lines with numbers?
farss wrote on 11/15/2006, 4:41 AM
Or a switchable "cursor memory recall" that would show the last 5 cursor locations on the timeline, like 5 lines with numbers.
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Just the last position would do it for me, or better still, just a jump back to previous position.
vicmilt wrote on 11/15/2006, 5:14 AM
I like that too...

"Jump to prior cursor position" w/o affecting ANY other changes that might have been made - excellent.
Now "Jump again", etc. maybe 10 jumps

Great especially in long form editing where you are all over the timeline.
DavidSinger wrote on 11/15/2006, 5:29 AM
What a wonderful tool for all kinds of benefits. Read back on all the ways it would be used. Let's see. If nobody posted on this board for one week, would Madison get the message and put this into V7.0c?
Grazie wrote on 11/15/2006, 5:55 AM
So Guys you ARE getting the gist of it now? Huh? Bob, very good!

David, you ole cynic! LOL!

Look, nothing, NOTHING starts without an idea. Should I present it to the Engineers?

G