How to match project and media properties

ingvarai wrote on 5/5/2009, 1:40 AM
There is supposed to be a fast way (one click) to adjust a project's settings to a certain media. Let us say I drop a video clip on the time line of an empty new Vegas project. Now I want this project's settings to match the media I have added. But I want do to it fast - a one click operation. How? I can't find it..

ingvarai

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Marco. wrote on 5/5/2009, 2:01 AM
In the project setting window (video tab) click the upper right icon which looks like a folder. Set the path to your media file and click "Open". This will make the project settings match the selected media file settings.

Marco
Grazie wrote on 5/5/2009, 2:28 AM
From Marco: Set the path to your media file and click "Open". This is BEFORE.

From ingvarai: Let us say I drop a video clip on the time line of an empty new Vegas project. This is AFTER.

Nope, no ONE click once Event is on the Timeline. What you are after has been asked numerous times - "Project Match Media already on timeline". Marco's advise, at present, is the nearest we have gotten from Madison.

Grazie

Grazie wrote on 5/5/2009, 2:31 AM
. . better yet, under Options | Preferences, a switch that allows us to: "Match Project to the initial Event placed on Timeline" - Now I bet THAT could be done?!??

Grazie

Marco. wrote on 5/5/2009, 2:56 AM
NIce idea - or a script which adapts the project properties to any selected timeline video event.

Marco
rs170a wrote on 5/5/2009, 3:23 AM
You'll almost have your wish very soon :-)
In his newsletter review of Vegas Pro 9, Edward Troxel said:

Under File - Properties is another new option called Adjust source media to better match project or render settings.
When turned on, Vegas will make minor tweaks to the source media properties to allow
those media files to work better with your project.
This can include minor cropping or padding of the frame size and adjusting interlacing.

Mike
Marco. wrote on 5/5/2009, 3:27 AM
Right, though this one works vice versa.

Marco
rs170a wrote on 5/5/2009, 3:31 AM
We'll know for sure how well it works next Monday :-)

Mike
ingvarai wrote on 5/5/2009, 5:08 AM
>We'll know for sure how well it works next Monday :-)

Indeed.
Fortunately I live in the GMT +1 time zone, hopefully I have downloaded mine before the SCS server breaks down :-)

ingvarai
jetdv wrote on 5/5/2009, 6:22 AM
You can already do this in Vegas Pro 8. I'd have to fire up the other computer to check older versions. Here's how:

File - Properties.

Now to the right of the "Template" like is three buttons: a disc, a red X, and a folder.

Click on the FOLDER button (which is "Match Media Settings"), browse to the source clip you want the project to match, select it and then click on "Open". Once that is done, the project properties will match that clip.
Grazie wrote on 5/5/2009, 6:44 AM
Yes, Edward, as above? - We're after doing this with a "One-Click" with stuff already ON the Timeline.

Grazie
rs170a wrote on 5/5/2009, 6:49 AM
Edward, your review was a bit vague so will this new option you wrote about do what ingvarai wants?

Mike
farss wrote on 5/5/2009, 6:55 AM
You can do it with stuff already on the timeline as described above. The only impost is having to point to the media on your system rather than what's on the timeline.
I just did exactly this, had a heap of clips from a DVD camcorder on the T/L and playback was woeful. Checked media properties and thought hang on there's a quicker way to do this, found said icon, found first clip and clicked, job done.

Of course it all came unstuck soon enough, I also need to edit a tape from the same client into the first lot of footage and one source is 704x576 LFF and the other 720x576 UFF so no matter which way I jig the project playback from one of the sources is going to be bad.

Now in my scenario with the one click trick I can see a problemo but lets wait for a week or two and see how users get confused :)

Bob.
jetdv wrote on 5/5/2009, 7:31 AM
The old option will do what he wants. The new option is totally different. Here's a better explanation of that option:

Adjust source media to better match project or render settings

Select this check box if you want Vegas to scale images or adjust interlacing to allow media files to work better with your project.

This setting will correct for the following types of inconsistencies:

DV media will be cropped for 320x240 Internet renders to prevent letterboxing.

DV widescreen media will be cropped in HD projects.

HD media will be cropped in DV widescreen projects.

486-line media will be cropped in 480-line projects.

480-line media will be padded in 486-line projects.

When the check box is cleared, source media files are processed with their native settings.
Rory Cooper wrote on 5/5/2009, 7:39 AM
Will this determine if the media is prog or interlaced and up or low field? And give me correct clip info
Grazie wrote on 5/5/2009, 1:41 PM
Nope, Bob and Edward. The OLD-way will not do what he wants, and until he says different, he wants a One-Click-Event on Timeline. And it is a yes, to going to find the MEDIA on the drives - but the Event is already ON the Timeline.

Why is this so hard to accept?

Grazie
farss wrote on 5/5/2009, 2:46 PM
It will give the outcome that he wants though. Certainly it's not as fast or convenient as what he originally asked for however he asked about the existing method that he'd heard of but could not find.

If we'd all just said he's wrong there is currently no such thing how would that have helped him?

Bob.
ingvarai wrote on 5/5/2009, 3:04 PM
Ok guys,
I am fine with clicking the folder icon and loading a file. It is not, however, what I wanted. My questions stems from the [obvious] wrong idea I had about this, I thought that I had read somewhere that a one-click method existed.
All is better than having to manually type in all values by hand. Next step is to have a one-click operation, clicking on media that already IS there.

ingvarai
rmack350 wrote on 5/5/2009, 4:56 PM
Yes, that'd be ideal. When I am trying to match the project to a source file I find that I get frustrated having to navigate through my file system to find a file that's already sitting in my project media window or on the timeline. It's annoying but I think they do it this way because it was easy for them.

Submit it as a feature request.

Rob Mack
farss wrote on 5/5/2009, 5:02 PM
Both approaches have their strengths.

You might want to match project properties to a previously rendered file and you might not want to drag it onto the timeline and wait for peaks to build. In this case pointing to the file is the best solution.

Agreed, if the file is already on the timeline and you want to match the project to that then the current method is making the user do the work for the software.

Bob.
rs170a wrote on 5/5/2009, 5:06 PM
Keep in mind that you can save custom project property presets the same way you can save presets in a lot of other Vegas windows.

Mike
rmack350 wrote on 5/5/2009, 10:44 PM
No reason why the software can't do it all four ways: through an Explorer dialog, by picking on the timeline, by picking in the project media window, or by picking in the Vegas explorer. Maybe in the media manager too.

There's no law that says they have to use just one method.

Rob Mack
rmack350 wrote on 5/5/2009, 11:02 PM
Mike,

Saving a project preset is good if you think you'll use the setting over and over again, but people do all sorts of things with Vegas.

For example, I have a client that might give me an hour and a half-long video of the teardown of a new product. He doesn't know what the video is, the video doesn't play in WMP, and he expects that by giving me the video I'll never need to ask another question. Oft-times I'll drop it into Vegas because a) it plays b) I can drop markers in it c) I can shuttle through it with JKL keys, and d) I can play it at double speed. The only thing is that it'd be better to make the project match the file so that playback is better. I don't need to save the settings permanently in a template. It's tedious to go navigate my file system to set my project properties to that file when I can see the file right there in my project media.

It's not a show stopper. It's just annoying.

Rob Mack
Grazie wrote on 5/5/2009, 11:09 PM
Bob says: - No, no it wont. He wants/wanted (so do I!) a One-Click-Result and that's the outcome he is/was searching for - and WHY not?? A "Function" can, and often is, an outcome in itself, if that is what is being asked for?

Rob says: "Yes, that'd be ideal." Exactly! And that's how we get better functions into Vegas. It is by discussion, try-outs, User wishes etc etc and sometimes sometomes this, albeit senseless bickering by me, that my heels are so worn down (it's okay I got a spare pair of sandals around the house!)

Bob says: Help! For sure, most definitely! "Putting-Up" with what is currently available .. Nuh-uh!!! - And BTW, Bob, who said we would NOT have stepped in and suggested an "option"?

Look, it is by the way we assist and banter here that many MANY advances have come to pass for Vegas. And guess what, Buddies, Bob knows that.

Grazie

farss wrote on 5/6/2009, 12:04 AM
"There's no law that says they have to use just one method."

Absolutely.
And here's the funny thing and Grazie might get a laugh out of this.
It's less than 48 hours since I first used this and I too assumed I could RClick the media on the T/L and that's where I'd find the option.....

Just by chance I saw that 'folder' icon in the project properties that I was about to try to match by hand and as I hovered the mouse over it the light went on. If nothing else that icon is anything but intuitive!

Bob.