HVR V1U 24P Support

MarkHolmes wrote on 9/21/2006, 11:55 AM
Just downloaded footage from the VAAST website, put on timeline in Vegas 7 - and discovered major ghosting problems. Douglas Spotted Eagle of VAAST says this is because Vegas doesn't yet support this feature in 7. Any word on when this would happen? I'm really surprised that the support isn't already there, given the release of the camera and software literally within days of each other...

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JohnnyRoy wrote on 9/21/2006, 12:20 PM
> I'm really surprised that the support isn't already there, given the release of the camera and software literally within days of each other...

It has not been released within days of anything. It has only been announced. I believe you won’t see the camera until November. That gives the Sony Vegas team time to add support.

~jr
FrigidNDEditing wrote on 9/21/2006, 12:40 PM
not to mention the ever mentioned, SMS and Sony Broadcast are two different subsections of SONY but by no means the same company.

Dave
Spot|DSE wrote on 9/21/2006, 12:50 PM
Ironically, the CineForm pulldown removal for Cineframe 24 works well with this footage, so I'm now converting several clips to CineForm, and re-encoding to .m2t, and will upload those.

Sony Media Software hadn't seen this camera, my NDA with Sony Broadcast prevents me from discussing the camcorder with Sony Media Software and vice-versa. Sony is an umbrella company. Within Sony, you'll see lots of competition with itself. For instance, did anyone notice the new software-only Xpri that was announced at NAB? Silly, IMO.
apit34356 wrote on 9/21/2006, 12:57 PM
Spot, I would suggest putting your Cineform CF24 workflow in your article. Since everyone is looking for pros/cons of the camera, this may help stop a few panic attacks.
Spot|DSE wrote on 9/21/2006, 2:31 PM
Apit, duly noted, new file in place already, and notice of CineForm in place as well. Thanks for the suggestion!
David Newman wrote on 9/21/2006, 4:26 PM
Spot,

That was quick. I would love to see what you right up.

David Newman
CTO, CineForm
Spot|DSE wrote on 9/21/2006, 4:37 PM
David,
CineForm's pulldown removal for CF24 works properly, or appears to, given the nature of this particular footage. I've got a lot of other footage to capture test to be sure...
The upshot of it is that the footage I'm testing was acquired at a high shutterspeed to keep the aperture fairly wide, so it's hard to exactly tell. I've got other footage shot at 1/48 and 1/24 that I'll be testing as soon as I've got a free moment.
We've got a new DVD for the Sony HVR Z1 that also shows the CF24 pulldown removal features of the CineForm product. Works incredibly well! Takes juddery CF24 and makes it quite useful.
David Newman wrote on 9/21/2006, 10:23 PM
Spot,

Please send any footage you have trouble with our way so we can dial in the extreme cases for this new camera.

David
Grazie wrote on 9/21/2006, 10:36 PM
This is getting very interesting . . very quickly ..
Konrad wrote on 9/22/2006, 9:44 PM
Interesting yes, but also sad that the new Sony chairman has not been able to bring down the silos as promised. That Madison is not hands on with all new Camcorders pre-release is just bad!
Spot|DSE wrote on 9/22/2006, 10:17 PM
I guess it needs to be said that when the HVR V1U was *announced* there were a total of five prototypes/preproduction models. Prior to that, there were only a couple. I had one for field testing in a variety of situations. To my knowledge, there are only still the few preproduction models. Marketing, testing, shooting, messaging, advertising all need to be developed for the camera before it ships. Why is it important that Vegas support this camera when this camera isn't shipping until November or so? I mean, that is just plain silly to be angry that the software doesn't support a camcorder that doesn't yet exist, isn't it? Vegas doesn't support AVC-I either, but Panasonic announced it in July... Even Grass Valley's Edius doesn't support their own internal REV format yet, even though the camcorder started shipping last April.
Let's be realistic. Sony has said that Vegas will work with this camcorder around the same time the camcorder begins shipping. Why sweat it if it doesn't support it now?
If you want to work with the footage I've uploaded AND remove the pulldown, download the CineForm Connect HD trial version and convert the footage I've uploaded. Then you'll have 24p without pulldown, and can work with it in Vegas directly.
Konrad wrote on 9/24/2006, 11:34 PM
David do you know every picture is missing from your CineFrame page ?

http://www.cineform.com/products/SonyHDVSupport/CineFrame.htm

The page is also a several models out of date.

I know you guys are working hard and cranking out great products, just thought you should know the brochureware is broken.

Konrad
David Newman wrote on 9/25/2006, 8:37 PM
Thanks, the images are now fixed. The text will need to be updated for new cameras.