That was Funny, I can't stop laughing, THANKS

Well you gotta laugh aint yer! What with all the "serious" and I will say very, very useful stuff that goes on here, I thought it was a wee bit timely.

"Jim, it's life but not as we know it!"

"My God Jim, you can't expect those people to go down there without their Hyperthreading in shape - it's, it's . . . Damn it's SUICIDE!"

"Bones, that's my job - [CU: concerend and furrow brow to camera ] Sometimes one has to take unpleasant decisions. [Even greater concerend and Greater furrowing of brow to camera - more sweat apeearing in rivers down side of face ]I'm proud of my crew . . . I . . . I just . . . I just hope Scotty can activate the system in time"

"Scotty, when will it be back on stream? I need to know - And I need to know now!"

"C'ptain, it's going to be touch and go if I can hold her together . . . we have breaches all over the place!"

. . . . and so on and so on.

Ooohh don't applaud - I'll just keep it going!

Seeyah

Grazie

Let me see if I can make this simple...

Intel makes pro and consumer level chips, the Pentium 4 "Xeon" is their pro chip that can be used in a multi processor configuration. Hyperthreding technologly allows Intel P4's (pro and consumner) to act like two chips - so a single P4 can behave like two chips, and a dual Xeon can behave like four chips.

try www.intel.com for a more in depth explanation.

Thanks,

Shawn

Shawnm, thanks for that. Does this possibily make way for a potential s/w RT solution/option for say for a VV4 or 5? Just a thought.

Grazie

Well, I treat these SOFO forums as very informational, but they are not elementary educational... for all the "Star Trek" lovers (Grazie and zcus in particual): have you heard of a comapny called "Intel"??? Hmm... probably not, 'cause they dont make any hyperdrives or multi galactic transformers.. they simply make computer chips... Thit is probably not worth your few brain cells, sonar engines dont use that, well, for all the somewhat technolgy educated people, my question is still standing: would VV benefit from dual Xeon with Hyperthreading enababled.

P.S.
Thank you shawnm for taking your time to shine light on such stoneage thing, totaly forgotten by Captain Jean-Luc Picard and the Enterprise crew of Starfleet, as Hyperthreading.

"Captain, I cannee hold hold it for much longer - her dual Xeon Hyperthreading is about to . . . . unravel, and mine monkey brain CANNEE comprehend it ... eject... eject ... eject"

Point taken!

Grazie

It is very logical really.

Hyper Threading is the ability to execute multiple instructions in one clock cycle of the CPU. The software usually has to be compiled with this in mind - going by the timescales, VV3 is not.

Dual processors - depends on a lot of things. It is not just the app but the libraries it depends on that need to be multi-threaded to execute on dual processors (not the same as multiple intructions in a single CPU).

Even if it can not benefit from the above if the kernal in NT works well it may mean you can do a render needing warp factor 5 without melting the engines core - i.e. you may still be able to use your system - the single thread render executes and consumes a single processor whilst you use the other.

There is an option within VV regarding threads/CPU's so it must be multi processor aware. The amount you will gain from a second processor is a difficult one, depends on the app and supporting libraries used.

The fact that you are asking means you can probably afford to buy a dual Xeon machine - in which case buy it anyway, just because you can.

Regards, Completely illogical Spock.

Here's my opinion:

Vegas is not that CPU intensive a program. The second processor will allow you to render in the background. The expensive Xeon processors will be waiting on bus and hard disk transfers just like the less expensive yet still super-fast P4 and AMD Athlon XPs.

Laurence Kingston

I assume you do render your projects ;) - how much more CPU intensive can you get?

I usually render my projects overnight. I guess with a faster processor I could get up earlier in the morning;)

Seriously, it is my understanding that the Xeons are optimized for many users and many tasks in a server type environment. That their advantage isn't that they work faster, but that can handle more tasks at once. I don't really think that a dual Xeon would render much faster than a fast P4 or or Athlon XP system, although it probably would be better equiped to do other work while you're doing the render.

Laurence Kingston

I have ASUS board with dual Athlon MP 2000+ Vegas uses about 80% of the first proccessor and 20% of the second one. True speed is in the ability to multitask. These Xeon proccessors are super expensive and not that much faster. Its that stupid HYPERTHREADING name that makes people think there HYPER FAST! I oridginally was looking into dual Xeon's until my dealer convinced me to pay 50% of the price and get 90% of the Xeons performance by getting Athlons.

Zcux posted:
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And there lies the problem. VV3, does make some use of the second processor, but not as much as it could. If you really want to watch how well VV3 is written...open up a second instance of VV3 using the same project (veg file). Now set the first instance to render out an MPEG1. Set the second to render out an MPEG2. Watch what happens.

They both will start to render at just about the same speed as if you had only one render running. In this way with a dual processor board, you can run two instances of VV3 simultaneously doing two DIFFERENT things and only lose a little bit of speed. If you look, both processors will be running wide open!

BTW, this was confirmed by VV3 user John Beech this past weekend. He's running top of the line dual p4's with a gig of ram.

That's a nice, productive way to use VV3 and dual processors.

David