I'm not getting the new Render As (and have tried hard before posting

Paul-Fierlinger wrote on 8/27/2021, 4:51 PM

It's simple. I want to select a chunk of my edited timeline's audio track to export to my animation app, to enable me to draw frames that will match the track; for lip syncing for instance. Up until V19 this has been a straightforward, simple process. Now not so much anymore.

1. highlight sound track section in timeline

2. RMB click in the thin line at top of selection and select Render to New Track.

Now comes the confusion that never existed prior to 19:

What should I do to select a Template? If I select in window that says Filter On,

check on Audio templates only ....? I am from this point at a loss. I am of course expecting to see a list of templates.

NOTE: searching in the usually very helpful Help menu the best I can see is; Under File is the same result: I check on Audio only and nothing happens except a lot of dark space under the heading Templates. Customize Templates does not lead me to a list...

Please someone, lead me out of this trap.

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Jack S wrote on 8/27/2021, 5:18 PM

@Paul-Fierlinger Click the 'Ignore Event Grouping' icon, select the audio event, go to 'Tools/Render to New Track', choose the audio template and where it will be saved, click Render.

This is my 'Render to New Track' dialog.

Last changed by Jack S on 8/27/2021, 5:20 PM, changed a total of 1 times.

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Paul-Fierlinger wrote on 8/27/2021, 6:03 PM

This is hard. When I select Audio templates only a box opens that covers half of what is offered on the left and there is no way to move it aside. I've clicked on any and all Render to new Track offerings and none of these offers a single template, not to mention a list. It used to be so intuitive. I hate being a pest but I really need to find a template to export my event. What am I not doing right?

EDIT:

Just saw your sample. How did you find that?

Paul-Fierlinger wrote on 8/27/2021, 6:15 PM

For instance, when you say select the audio track? I don't what you mean because ... er is it the timeline's audio event? Clicking on it does nothing helpful. My audio even stretches across 1/4 of the video. What used to delineate which portion I need to pick up is done by double clicking on the video event. This is the whole purpose of the exercise: To make a copy of the video clip's sound event to send to my other software.

Paul-Fierlinger wrote on 8/27/2021, 6:28 PM

Hold it. I just figured everything out and it's done the same way I have always done it. The problem was created by displaying all my favorite audio templates below the Render to New Track box. Sorry for the grief. The only new step is to select Tools. Other wise all is the same.

Jack S wrote on 8/28/2021, 4:01 AM

@Paul-Fierlinger If all you want to do is render out the audio, why not just mute the video track then render as normal? With the video track muted the only templates displayed will be audio templates.

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Paul-Fierlinger wrote on 8/28/2021, 8:10 AM

This is essentially what I've been doing for years (since V6) but I don't always export just sound. There are instances in which I need to export a short video of several clips, video and audio, so I need the video side as well. A question though; why does the list of types of audio and video to select first cover half of the list of video formats? This must be a bug, no?

Jack S wrote on 8/28/2021, 9:07 AM

@Paul-Fierlinger This is my 'Render As' dialog.

If yours doesn't look similar, have you checked whether your graphics driver is up to date. Use 'Help/'Check for Driver Updates'.

I'm a little puzzled why you want to render to a new track though. Surely all you want to do is render out as you would normally. As I explained, you can do this for audio, video or both, by using the track Mute or Solo buttons.

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Paul-Fierlinger wrote on 8/28/2021, 11:39 AM

OK, but what happens when you click on Filters? Doesn't that open on top of what you see now?

As to your puzzlement, I am sure you know better than I do, but could you explain "render out"? That's what I am doing; I am rendering out to my audio folder or to my MP4 folder. With a feature film I have the movie broken down to "chapters" by which I mean about 6 to 12 shorts that make a whole in Vegas. Each chapter has identical folders which are the parts that make the short whole before I take it to Vegas.

Perhaps this file management might seem strange to you but you must realize that I draw every frame and those end up in the line test folders and Sandra paints every frame and all the backgrounds and those end up in her folders etc. There is no other timeline in this process than the TVPaint timelines in their folders. These timelines are similar to Vegas' but have their own particularities because I make them grow with each drawing of a frame.

I usually start with a sound track which I create first in Vegas or Sound Forge or which is given to me by a composer. These bits of sound live in their folders and end up in Vegas the same way yours will. From Vegas I will take a chunk of sound to bring back to my audio folder from where they are uploaded to my TVPaint folder in the form of Sony Wave64. So am I not doing exactly what you are suggesting? I am rendering out segments of sound to my TVPaint timeline via these folders. Why this way? Because in Vegas I edit my composer's tracks in combinations that differ from what he delivers me. Only in Vegas do they come together mixed with dialogue and SFX which come from other TVPaint folders. To those segments I begin to draw sketches which I bring into Vegas to create animatics and line tests which gradually become replaced by colored versions.

Where do you see I am making something unnecessarily complicated? I might have something better to learn from you. Sorry for the lengthy answer but it just reflects the nature of my work. Everything is created in tiny increments through a maze of folders which only my wife remembers better because she is 18 years younger.

Oh, and all this work is spread over two computers previewed across four monitors for each of us. My Vegas' GUI is also spread across 4 monitors so when you tell me to click on "Tools" I have to reach 3 monitors down the line.

VEGASDerek wrote on 8/28/2021, 3:28 PM

For the most part, the RenderAs dialog was functionally unchanged from VP 18 (and before) I simply cleaned up the UI as part of the UI refresh that was done for VP 19.

Jack S wrote on 8/28/2021, 4:33 PM

@Paul-Fierlinger Forgive me, I misunderstood. I think I now know why you need to render to a new track.

I certainly don't claim to know more than you, or anyone else for that matter. I was basing my understanding of your problem on my very simple way of editing the timeline.
As long as you've solved your problem, that's the main thing.

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Paul-Fierlinger wrote on 8/28/2021, 4:55 PM

But do you understand that after I open the Render to New Track menu and in it I click on "Filters Off" it opens the menu in such a way that it covers a portion of the Render to New Track menu instead of opening somewhere to the side. Now I would be happy to make a snip it for you to see but what happens when I attempt to snip the darn Filters Off menu goes away. It's doing such strange things that I know it couldn't have been your intention. But yes, otherwise I'm getting the Render to New Track function the same way as usual for ever.

Paul-Fierlinger wrote on 8/28/2021, 5:06 PM

It just occurs to me now that what I see might be caused by something in the splitting of the GUI across 4 monitors -- just an awkward uneducated guess. My graphics card is a NVIDIA Studio Driver GEFORCE GTX 1660

Jack S wrote on 8/30/2021, 6:51 AM

@Paul-Fierlinger  I click on "Filters Off" it opens the menu in such a way that it covers a portion of the Render to New Track menu instead of opening somewhere to the side.

Is this what you mean?

If it is, that's expected behaviour. Once you've ticked the filter you require and click off it, the filter options disappear.

If it's something else that you're seeing, try selecting 'Use Alternate HighDPI Settings' in 'Options/Preferences/Display'. This can sometimes cure display problems when using multiple displays with different resolutions.

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Paul-Fierlinger wrote on 8/30/2021, 7:57 AM

Yes, that's what I see but the menu pops up differently than in your picture. It's more to the side and covers up much of the formats menu which you need to see the most. I thought it might be intentional but since there is so much empty space to the right I wondered why anyone would want it that way. And yes, I did try turning off and on the DPI option but with no change. It's no big deal once I understand its semi-innocent strangeness so I thought I might as well report this. Interesting how it pops up in different ways on different computers.

If mine would work the way yours does I would have spotted the format I was looking for right away. This is actually the root of my issue since what I was looking for disappeared below the cutoff line, having a black on black GUI as you do it becomes invisible. A novice to Vegas would never find what is necessary to see. I think it should be fixed.

EDIT:

OK, now that I stretched the entire box to its widest size everything has become clear. I can afford the space with my multi monitor setting but not too many people work that way.