Let me know what you find out, Grazie.

Anothers here.

The clips that Rosebud linked to appear to be HDV, not AVCHD.

AVCHD is the highly compressed MPEG-4, which appear as MTS files. I have got that right? Yes?

Nice files Gilles, but I am wanting to see how AVCHD works in VP8. Yes John, I did look very carefully too.

Thanks MozartMan!

Grazie

Oops… sorry, only 2 clips are avchd :
http://www.sulimoff.com/duck1.m2ts
http://www.sulimoff.com/media/20070825201440.m2ts

Gilles? It really isn't necessary to confuse me any more than I am already! lol! - I'm making a good enough job of it myself . .

Thanks again Gilles!

Grazie

ps: Big thank you to our JR too! He has been handholding the "Graze" over this one . .

That tiny "s" is verrrry important!

G

Reply by: MozartMan
Date: 7/31/2008 7:21:54 AM

Here is two:

lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2007-September/035920.html



Is that material really not altered and still in it's original state like it would come from the camera?

Axel

I don't know Axel.

Grazie,
I shot some footage with a Canon HF10- AVCHD camera at 1920 x 1080.
Vegas Pro 8 seems to handle shorter clips fine, I haven't shot / edited anything longer yet. Do you still need some files, or need anything else tested?

Rich

Don't know about Grazie, but I'd sure like a short test clip direct from the camera, as I'm thinking of getting the HF10.

Dave

First off! THANK YOU VEGAS FORUM PEOPLE!!! And those that contacted me by many private email - you KNOW who you are - Thanks!

And Richman ? - YESH PLeash!!!

I tell you what, if this thread hasd done anything it has made available to many reading this thread who DON'T have access to AVCHD clips an option to test and try before you buy.

Interesting . ..

Again, thanks good people . . .

Grazie

So what did you find out? What are your conclusions?

It is slow to Preview; it is a remarkable format and I wished Vegas would use some of my hardware to process Preview.

I've been on a job today and I'll get to more viewing and experimenting over the weekend. I hadn't forgotten your nudge!

Tell me, John, is there something you are wanting I should focus on?

Grazie

Tell me, John, is there something you are wanting I should focus on?Nothing specific. Just interested if you found it usable, or was it just too aggravating to deal with. Everyone mentions slowness, and that sure puts me off. I often get the feeling like I am trying to run through a swimming pool filled with molasses when I edit video. HDV made that worse, and if AVCHD is slower, it will be totally out of the question for me.

I suspect my dislike of AVCHD has more to do with the quality of the cameras than the codec.
If you're finding any codec a PIA to edit with use proxies or transcode to another codec. TBs of HDD cost peanuts and there's plenty of choices of less compressed, easier to edit codecs in Vegas and there's other codec options that can be had for a few dollars.

Bob.

Hi Grazie,

What are you looking for in the AVCHD clips. I just shot huge amounts of AVCHD footage (437 clip) on my Canon HF10 at (17mbps) I'm using SV Pro8b. The footage is great but in my inexperience with SV which has so many settings and parameters that I am confused which is best to use for final output.

Apparently the new Canon HF11 captures AVCHD at 25mbps. The present AVCHD at 17mbps choke many PC's and I wonder how they'll cope with the 25bmps but I'll bet the quality will be great!

Craig

John & Bob yes, but there is another world out there and that IS being shot on these small cameras. More to the point, I can see the day when I will be called upon to assist with editing this output and I was wanting to see/experience/value and generally up-skill myself towards it. All knowledge is valuable. And yes I have tried the Canon variants and they are fiddly and well, quite frankly, not what I am use to.

But the AVCHD world most certainly does exist and more people are stepping up to wanting to edit on VMSPlat and Vegas. Perish the thought that there may EVEN be some of us who own said cameras with this output and want to mix n match?

There is another side to this: People want ease and compactness. camera in pocket taking Go-To quality that they can see - and now edit! - at home. If I was starting over - OVER! - would I want one of these affordable entrees into video? Yes.

Craig, I don't know your camera at all and would surely love to add your output to the fine collection of work that others have sent me, if you are willing? Eh - what IS SV Pro8b?

Grazie

Eh - what IS SV Pro8b?

SV = Sony Vegas Pro 8 release "b"

Sorry I don't have a web site to down load from.

Craig

Small is good!
I bought a HC5, I get to play with our SI-2K mini, that is dwarfed by the lens. Two of the little squirts for simple 3D is great!
I'd love an Iconix to play with too and we'll certainly be buying a couple of Scarlets.

Cheap and nasty is bad. The HC5 is bearable but some of the real cheapies are very hard to use and they target the very people who least know how to use a camera to start with. Horrid video with people hosing down the scene down is inevitable. Nothing to do with the codec, I used to watch reel after reel of it on 8mm film.

What I love about the littlies is for us they can save a bundle on grips. I've got a Steadipod, a Stickipod and a very light weight 9M crane. None of those will take a heavy camera and no way would I risk an expensive camera on them either. So for sure, I'm in love with small and light so long as the image quality isn't woeful I can bolt it, suck it, glue it or swing it into places you'd never get a bigger camera.

Now a warning. Putting a small clip onto the T/L does not tell you the whole story and I've been caught out by this. Almost all of these tapeless cameras use media formatted to FAT32 and long clips will get split. Your NLE might not have the smarts to stitch them back without a glitch. A client got caught out with this last week. He swore he'd tested EX1 footage on his NLE but it all came unstuck when he had clips split over two cards. I don't remember if I tested this with AVCHD when we had the CX7s although if it didn't work I'm certain there'd be plenty of complaints here. Still it's worth keeping in mind as more new things come along. Quite some time ago I tried footage from one of those DVD camcorders. No problemo I said and all was fine until a clip was split over two VOBs. This was back in V6 days I think, DVDShrink saved my butt but I was lucky.

Bob.

I actually use SVPro8b and Sony HDR-SR8E. Normally I utilise the supplied software to download my clips onto my hard drives. Once on the PC, I normally just drag and drop into my Project Media window.

I also have two DV camera's, a Sony PC9E and a Canon XL2. I have tried experimenting with each type of video, including p and i modes.

The Sony HDR-SR8E is a nice camera, but suffers as most hard disk based camcorders in low light conditions. That said however, once the video is on the PC, the eiditing process seems to be okay on my machine (I have to admit it is of high power, Quad Core Processor, Vista Premium, 8Gb RAM, and too many SATA and external disk drives to list). The only BD player I have is the PS3, and it seems to work fine without any real hiccups.

A good point of note however, is that if your videos are interlaced, you must choose a deinterlace method under project properties or you will get a lot of banding during movement scenes.

Another point of note is that I have a power laptop, a DELL M2010 with 2Gb RAM, but this machine struggled with Vegas Pro and by editing in HD only project, so I guess you really need the high end power to do true editing for HD projects.

Another point of note is that I have a power laptop, a DELL M2010 with 2Gb RAM, but this machine struggled with Vegas Pro and by editing in HD only project, so I guess you really need the high end power to do true editing for HD projectsYou are talking about AVCHD HD when you say you need power, right? I say this because I can edit native HDV (m2t files) on really old PCs (single core, single thread, almost six years old) and the performance is generally pretty reasonable with Vegas 7.0d. I don't know how much it will slow down, or if it will work at all with Vegas 8.0b, and I've been reluctant to try until all the problems are fixed.