Ideal RAM settings for rendering

dka56 wrote on 2/10/2016, 5:05 PM
What I'm looking to find out is when you are setting up the BIOS, what are the ideal settings for the RAM in the BIOS as well as in the control panel? For example, page file, size allocations for Vegas etc. I just want to maximize the system hardware and I'm not exactly sure on what to set it at for efficient rendering.

I get the new RAM tomorrow and my system specs are:

Vegas Pro 10, may likely upgrade this year to 13.

i7 4790k @ stock speeds, stock cooler
ASRock Extreme 4 Z97
G-Skill Trident X DDR3 2400 32gb (4x8) Timing 10-12-12-31 • Cas Latency 10
Windows 10 home

More info: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-231-590

Are the stock timing fine, should I tighten them up? I want to say the memory controller for the i7 can't be pushed too much farther...not sure.


Any input appreciated.

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OldSmoke wrote on 2/10/2016, 5:14 PM
The i7-4790K max. ram frequency is 1600MHz.

So stick with the 1600MHz and ask GSkill to give you tighter timings for your CPU and MB combination. Testing tighter timings on your own is very time consuming.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

dka56 wrote on 2/10/2016, 6:42 PM
That is the correct advertised speed of 1600, however it will run at 2400 being overclocked with the XMP profile. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with leaving the voltage @ 1.5 volts for the memory controller.

For the seasoned veterans of Vegas what I'm looking for is the ideal allocation of RAM and just the overall proper settings to maximize the efficiency of the program.

I'm also running a 250 gb Samsung 850 Evo SSD, I have my OS and the Vegas program on this drive as well as other magnetic drives for storage.
dka56 wrote on 2/10/2016, 7:35 PM
My seasoned veterans statement was not a stab at you old smoke just days general statement...;)
astar wrote on 2/10/2016, 7:42 PM
Oldsmoke is right. The intel chipset is spec at 1600Mhz, anything beyond that is an overclock supported by the memory controller.

If your memory has an SPD for 2400Mhz non-XMP profile, then chances are you should be able to get a stable config. Run Memtest86+ through at least one full test sequence to determine if errors are being produced on the bus.

According to http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z97%20Extreme4/ your board has a memory controller capable of 3200Mhz SPD settings, this means you will need memory capable of this speed setting, and most likely matched timing DIMMs as well. More than likely the 3200Mhz OC is for 2 DIMMs and not 4.

Downloading a copy of Speccy will show you the current memory speed running, and details on what SPD the memory installed supports. You can also determine if all the memory modules are the same in terms of memory timings. All memory timings on the system should be the same for optimal speed.

Like the old rubber meets the road saying, running a "winsat mem" command from an admin command prompt will give you memory bandwidth. Do this test with the system idle and not still coming up from boot. Your memory should be inline or exceed the bandwidth recommended for the chipset.
OldSmoke wrote on 2/10/2016, 8:17 PM
I felt the knife! :-)

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

OldSmoke wrote on 2/10/2016, 8:21 PM
I would still not go beyond 1600MHz; all it does is stressing the memory controller for very little extra gain. If you have high spec RAM you are better off running it a lower speed with tighter timings. Trust me, been there, done that.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

dka56 wrote on 2/11/2016, 8:34 AM
Well, a little background here now that I'm near a PC again. When I researched this build, I did some homework on the hardware and had intentions on upgrading my current 8GB 1600 Dominator to something larger if I could capitalize on the added bandwidth.

The 4790k while spec'd to 1600, is for a non-OC environment, but can utilize 2400 RAM.... it's just the question of can this be done while keeping the voltage at 1.5V.
Intel recommends keeping it at 1.5V, but many have used 1.65V with no issues.

I spoke with G-Skill and they said the 4790k will really utilize the 2400 RAM. The Haswell architecture specifically seems to really shine with 2133 or higher RAM with 2133 being the sweet spot.

I looked at CAS 9 2133 RAM and the 2400 CAS 10 slightly edged it out with the Trident-X, not so much with the Dominator as the timings were looser.

Hopefully everything boots up with the XMP profile...I will keep you posted and we can hopefully go from there. I do trust everyone here but I guess I need to be the guinea pig on this one...consensus does point to the fact it should work so I will definitely report back after I (hopefully) get it up and running...then we can sort the allocations.
OldSmoke wrote on 2/11/2016, 8:45 AM
Maybe you can run the SCS Benchmark project at 1600 and at 2133 and let us know what the difference is in terms of rendering performance.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)