Congrats Grazie,

I assume the deal we spoke about is valid for upgrades ?
I look forward to hearing about your successes on VV :)

Cheers

Nick

Guess what Nick - The two extra "Monster Maxtors" [120gb x 2] fall over after several captures through VV! - Now here we go again.... just when I thought I was out.... "They Pull me back in!" - AAAAAaaarrrggghhh!!!!

I've got a stable laptop; I dream machine Canon; Vegas as my means of doing the "biz" and now.... THIS! What's a guy supposed to do? ..... what a week to give up smoking....!

Yer'know - when I was helping Santos - with the Fanchewy thingy - I thought maybe, maybe I'd got it, with some sort of let off from the IT Gods - BUT No! Oh ... NO! I think it was Woody Allen, who said - "Yer wanna give God a good laugh?.... Tell him yer plans for the future!"

I bought £400.00gbps worth of Maxtor external firewire drives and they take about 1 - 5 mins of capture - this can vary as well, then crash out. Great! I can use my exsisting Maxtor firewires - no problemo! But these "new" ones just - just sit there like smart "puddings" getting warm, with their smug little "cyclops" green eye staring at me......

Hey ho.... still, I've got VV AND the December Fxs Plug-in deal. OOOoooo you should see the "Newsprint" effect - toooo good - really? - Hey Nick, I suppose you don't work for SoFo and happen to be prompting me to say good fings 'bout them? - Nah I'm just getting paranoid.

Now where did I put that email address for MAXTOR support in Ireland? OOOooo can't wait for Monday morning - Hi there this is Grazie and I'm really pi*$%ed!!!!

Don't worry folks - I'll get there...

Best regards

Grazie

Hi Grazie, I don't know who is more excited about you getting Vegas...me or you??? lol

I got VF just after you, but then went to Vegas right away.

So, my question to you is... for the people that are thinking about upgrading to Vegas from VF...How did it go for you?? Easy transition?? Anything you miss in VF? (etc...)

Jon
(Yes, you can call me Stiffy if you want...lol)

Hulllloooo Stiffy! ;) ... Understand that I've only been playing around with it [Vegas that is! ] for 2 days, but pluses:

1. Detachable Preview screen now in TV monitor - Brilliant!

2. Detachable Timecode counter now BIG with Preview on TV screen - Brilliant!

3. Yes, I used the scubber bar in VF, but now having it working within VV AND with the TV on it has become even more intuitive than before. Now, if I could detach the Scubber and/or copy it and put THAT in the TV monitor - THAT would be a reeeeal plus.

In the future I can see myself not looking too much at the Timeline and concentrating on the Preview in TV -yes? I mean, this is the alysium we are all striving for - yes? Maybe a detachable section of the Timeline that I could also "Preview" within the TV monitor - yes? Maybe I should reinvestigate Shuttle Pro? Anybody here OR vegas used it to any benefit? If this is a route to go down - having shuttling while I look at the TV monitor - waddya fink?

4. Very easy transition period. In some sick way I thought I'd bought VF again - nah only joking SoFo - but that was how easy it was for me. All the same old favourites appearing on screen.

5. The forced "DON'T use 3rd party codecs" - Now if that was in VF, I didn't see it. This would have removed some of the problems I gave myself with VF.

6. Because Chienworks gave me the nod on the Zen-type openning format, I just flew myself into the s/w and splashed loads of clips all over the place - Audio buses were created immeadiately - No problemo! Thanks Chienworks....

7. Yes, there is tons of functionality, AND VV does NOT bombard you with it all at the outset. This can be a tremendous turn-off for me when I start with a new suite of s/w - Anybody played around with MS Access Database will know what I mean.

Minuses:

1. I don't seem to have located the PTT or Render of the "size" of the proposed file, which is very obvious and apparent in VF. It must be there somewhere. Yes?

2. There aint no Point 2!

3. There aint no Point 3!

etc etc etc.......

However if anything -ve comes to mind I'll create a list in Notepad!

All-in-all, I took to it like a duck to water. Of course the training I've gone through with VF and the majorly monster support I've been given on this Forum has prepared me for VV.

Now the thing is, would I have gone out and bought VV from the outset? I know you haven't asked the question Stiffy - I don't know. UK-sided prices was/are truly daunting. I wasn't prepared to pay +£450gbps for a product I didn't know about OR had had any experience of using. Don't forget I came from the "Dark Side" and as far as I was concerened THAT was MY benchmark for usability - incorrect as I found out - and then I stumbled on VinceG's persuasive chat on the virtues of VF - the rest, as they, is history. If I had the time again I can't even say if I would have been persuaded to download VV demo and then considered buying VF to give me the upgrade cheaper route to VV without installing VF - I don't know.... maybe not. Being a newbie - and this for SoFo must give them some form of potential buyer resistance - is a problem for s/w houses - do you catch my drift here? "I got VF just after you, but then went to Vegas right away." - I didn't do this - I must have been un-natulrally timid at the time.

Anyway, Stiffy, as per usual I've drifted off theme - hey it's Sunday why not - I could be down the Pub and sharing a pint with you - so no apologies - eh?

Best regards

Grazie.

Grazie,

Solution for minus #1: Try the menu selection "Tools->Print Video to DV Tape". You would think this would be under the Files menu because that’s where "Render As..." is, but its under the Tools menu with all the other rendering options like "Render to a new track" and "Selectively prerender video" and "Burn to CD".

I have to agree with Grazie, I took to VV from VF without a hitch. I was use to using key frames from Hollywood FX and Cool3D so that might have helped but I was up and being productive in no time. Kodo’s to SoFo for a great suite of products.

~jr

Great post, Grazie.

I miss that render size option. You can get to it from the above post, but I think there is more information in VF, and it is easier. (I do fine the way it is, though).

How do you detach the preview screen to your TV? Is that through your video card with a video-out??

Stiffy this is - as you might realise - a 2 part question, with 2 answers:

A1: You can separate a lot of the activity "windows" - Media Pool; Explorer; Audio Bus preview scales;Toimecode; Transistions AND the Preview Window. If you look very very carefully you will see a faint vertical line on the edge of the "window" you wanna grab - yes? The line itself does not "run" the whole distance from top to bottom. THAT'S the one you wanna lay your cursor over and HOLD the left mouse clicked ON, on it - yes? Then still holding the button down, you can "drag" the window any where you want - yes? I suppose it's a bit like wanting to "move" the Edit and Toolbars options in MS Word - yes? However, unlike MS Word where the "grabbing" line is I think a "double" vertical line, this one is a "single" line - yes?

A2: Okay DOkey! I use my Dell S-Video Out plug. I only use the "video" line, this goes directly into the "video" part of a phono plug going to a Scart plug in the back of my VHS recorder, then onto the TV screen - yes? I use the audio as per my soundcard OUT to 2 Harmon Kardom stereo speakers. I could take the audio out and use a 3.5mm to 2x phono plug convertor plug which I also use - but I tend to keep it simple - yes?

Right - now with my telly setup through the Settings>Display>Monitors>Advance etc etc, I use the TV asthe "Second" (No.2) monitor, I can "slip" the grabbed Preview window onto the TV screen and Eh voila - it's there! Yeah, I had to adjust the saturation and contrast of the TV screen [ I used the VV colour charts to get it nearly correct - neat addition by SoFo! ] to approximate my video clip quality. I'd also like to have the "Scrubber/Shuttle" thingy on the TV screen as well - but I don't think it is a "window" we can detach.

With all the expense I've been having lately [ Ford needing at least £1,500 spent on it! ] a decent analogue/digital monitor replacement is on hold until I have some extra "wonger" under my belt - BIG "yes" to that!

I must say, having the "Timcode" speeding over AND next to the preview screen on the telly is making my productivity a tad more easier.

Now all a need to do is sort out WHY my new external Maxtor firewire drives [ 120gb each! ] can't do progressive Captures using VV! The stupid drives think they have been detached! This happens when I capture sessions 2 onwards. Hmmm... I can get capture session 1 under my belt, but when I go on to do capture session 2 onwards I get this nonsense -AND at £400.00 I expect better. Hey ho.... any ideas?

Hope the info on the Preview to TV works for you Stiffy,

Best regards

Grazie

Thanks, Grazie. Actually I am previewing on my TV running through the fire-wire -> VCR->TV. Works great, but detaching the window to the TV sounds nice. I have an S-video out on my card, but need a VCR with an input to plug it in...

So, can you only detach the video preview, or any of detachable windows?

Stiffy - "Actually I am previewing on my TV running through the fire-wire -> VCR->TV." How DO THEY do that!?! Does this mean you have the whole VV screen on the telly?....

"Works great, but detaching the window to the TV sounds nice." Oh yes oh yes ... 'cos it then "frees" up editing space on the pc screen - yeah?

"I have an S-video out on my card, but need a VCR with an input to plug it in..." No you don't!.... I don't have an s-video thingy on my VCR - just a Scart. As I said, just use the "video" line connected to the "video" line of the Scart - I can't have explained it well enough - yes? - Now the "audio" part you could take the audio from your sound card and 3.5mm to the 2 left and right stereo phonos and plug them into the remaining "audio" lines on the other end of the Scart line - yeah? Personally I leave the audio OUT connected to the laptop external speaker system. "Less is More"!

"So, can you only detach the video preview, or any of detachable windows?" - Nope, most of the other "detachable" windows can be throw-up [ too much drinking going on over the festive period! ] as well, on to the telly. Having - as I said - a reeeeally BIG timecode counter on the TV screen is a real boon. Perhaps I didn't explain that too well either. Doing this makes for a larger editing workspace. AND as I said, it would be really neat to have the scrubber thingy on the TV screen as well. Hmmmmmm.... Hey it's Moday morning!

Stiffy, keep 'em coming - you've helped me pass the time this moring, waiting for MAXTOR to come back to me with a "fix" why my spanking new two 120gb expensive external firewire drives aint cooperating within VV Capture - they seem to be able to take the write-to without falling over! I can get a first session done, but subsequent captures the drives fail - Ugghhh!

Best regards

Grazie

Grazie,

If you still have VF on your computer, have you tried capturing using VF to your new drives?

GOOD point! I'll give it go too!

However have had some feedback via email from MAXTOR and they "may" have gotten me a solution - yes? But thanks Mike.... all knowledge is valuable.

Grazie

I took the plunge last night too. Did you get the plug-in deal? I'm assuming that wasn't available for upgrades because I didn't see it during the order process.

Hammer,
You are correct. I called Sonic Foundry today to confirm...upgrades do not get the plug in. You have to pay the full price.
Randy

Thanks Randy, i'm loving Vegas anyway. The upgrade path is a awesome deal regardless.

Hi Grazie...

""Stiffy - "Actually I am previewing on my TV running through the fire-wire -> VCR->TV." How DO THEY do that!?! Does this mean you have the whole VV screen on the telly?...."" Yea, my camcorder is hooked up to the fire wire and to my vcr->to the TV. You just have to use the 'preview on external monitor' button on the preview screen.

But I would like to have a dual monitor set up for Vegas and have the TV as the preview. I know I can buy a new video card for this, but I'm also a gamer, and like my 64mb card I have now.

""I don't have an s-video thingy on my VCR - just a Scart. As I said, just use the "video" line connected to the "video" line of the Scart - I can't have explained it well enough - yes? -"" Well, no...I'm not sure what a Scart is. Is that an adapter that an S-video line can connect to a RCA type input?? Hmmm...Unless it is something only in PAL area, no?

I'm glad you got your drives to work! Hope you that broadband connection goes smooth for you. Once you have it, you will wonder how you got along without it!!

"Yea, my camcorder is hooked up to the fire wire and to my vcr->to the TV." I thought might be what you were doing, but discounted it, as I thought you would have not condsidered having the cmmay ON all the time. Does this reduce the life of the motors? Or is the cammy in some still, passive "coma" state, while you do this? Or have I got it wrong again?

I reeeeallly didn't know SCART connection weren't Global. Oooer!!! A SCART is a rather strange beast. It has masses of pins in a type of rectangular shaped interface. I say strange because at one of the "shorter" sides, of this "rectangle", is assymetrically shaped - I presume to avoid any chance of plugging it in incorrectly - it really is a weird looking plug! It can be tricky to plug in - if you aren't, physically, directly in line with the "female" - hmmmm.... think on! - but, I must say it is a good idea AND it is big REALLY big. Overall 2" x 5/8" OR 45mm x 15mm [approx.] You will often hear audio and video SCART users cursing the thing, finding it difficult to locate on the "blind-side" of a VCR or some such equipment. You know what we all feel about the tiny 4-pin firewire plug - well, this SCART is the same but at the other end of the "size" issue - yes?

Stiffy - I've only been using VV for a handful of days and I must say I haven't seen the "'preview on external monitor' " - Now, if I have a go at this it could stop the need to dabble about with the DISPLAY 1 and 2 monitors in Display Settings - yes? Presently I'm not too pleased with the "look" of the footage via the S-Video out. Thanks for the heads-up on that one!

"I'm glad you got your drives to work! " Aint that the truth...I was thinking again that I was in NLE hell.. Stiffy thanks for the good wishes.

I should be on by this weekend - THEN I'm really going to get boring..... WHO SAID YES!???

Seeyah

Grazie

Hay, Grazie...I'll get back to you...I just found some stuff on on the Vegas side about dual monitors.

Are you up early or up late? Just wondering if it is almost 2am on Wed here, what time it it in London?? (Yes, I am up late, havin a half pint).

Stiffy :)

I think my first post today was at aorund 6:00am? Yes it is Wednesday moring here. It's now 9:28am - Dula monitors sounds Koooolll.... I'll get over there and have a "Butchers".

Oh yes - your explanation of the firewire connection to your TV via your cammy - as a DV-AV convertor - has given me a really good reason to keep the "passive" Dazzle device, just to do this Preview work - yes?

Seeyah

Grazie