In/Out Points and Scene Selection Menu

DavidPJ wrote on 6/17/2004, 3:57 AM
I posted this in the DVDA forum but haven't received any suggestions.

I'm playing with DVDA2 for the first time, so please excuse me for my ignorance for what I thought would be so simple.

I inserted a scene selection menu as described on page 34 of the DVDA2 manual. I want to set up start and end actions for each chapter that was automatically set up during the insertion of the scene selection menu.

Going to the timeline after selecting each chapter, I move the start and end points or hit start or end point. At first this seems to work, but then after the 3rd or 4th button it gets confused and the settings from my previous in/out points are wrong. Can't I adjust in/out points from the scene selection menu created in this manner?

Or, per page 35 of the manual, do I have to manually create a scene selection menu by adding text/button for each chapter and then set the in/out points on the timeline?

If this is the case, it seem like quite a laborious way of making a scene selection menu and then adding in/out points. Or maybe I'm really missing something?

On the timeline, can I just move the existing in/out points or do I have to enter them always by hitting the in/out buttons?

Thanks much!
Dave

Comments

Spot|DSE wrote on 6/17/2004, 4:02 AM
You can just move the in/out points, but are you by chance moving them so that the outpoint of one chapter is coming after the in point of the next chapter? Absolutely sure you're creating the chapter points in the submenu with the correct button selected?
I don't see a question about end actions in your post, did I miss something? An end point and end action are two different things, if I'm reading your topic and post correctly
DavidPJ wrote on 6/17/2004, 4:25 AM
Thanks spot for the fast reply. Yes, I'm getting in/out points confused with end action.

I'll check my outpoints to make sure they're not coming in after an inpoint for the next chapter. I'm sure I'm selecting the right button when moving the points.

To confirm, I should be able to set or move in/out points to every button (chapter) created automatically by inserting a scene selection menu, right?

All I'm trying to do is create a scene selection menu that returns to the scene selection menu after playing the selected chapter. The DVDA2 manual on page 35 describes this, but does not use a menu created by using the insert scene selection menu. This is why I'm confused.

And thanks for pointing out my confusion with end actions, which is not my issue at the moment.

Dave
GaryKleiner wrote on 6/17/2004, 7:27 AM
>To confirm, I should be able to set or move in/out points to every button (chapter) created automatically by inserting a scene selection menu, right?<

Right

Gary
DavidPJ wrote on 6/17/2004, 8:28 AM
Gary, thanks for the confirm. However, this is not what I'm experiencing.

Here it is again:
Create a scene selection menu (not a submenu). Go to the scene selection menu, double click on a chapter. Adjust in/out points by moving points on timeline. All is fine.

Go back to scene selection page. Double click on next (second) chapter button. Timeline shows in/out points for previous chapter button setting. Adjust in/out points for second chapter.

Go back to screen selection page, double click on the first chapter. Timeline now shows in/out points at locations set for chapter 2, not chapter 1.

It seems as though you can only have one set of in/out points, rather than different in/out points for each chapter.

I've only seen this happen when using the Insert Scen Selection Menu. If I create a submenu for the scene selection, and then copy and paste each new button, I'm able to have unique in/out points for each chapter.

Lastly, the DVDA2 manual on pages 34 and 35 somewhat implies that if you want to create a scene selection menu that returns to the scene selection menu after playing a selected chapter, you don't use the Insert Scene Selection Menu command.

Or am I just missing something? Thanks.
DavidPJ wrote on 6/17/2004, 6:51 PM
Anyone else tryed this with DVDA2? I don't know if it's a bug or standard DVDA2 operation. Of course, there's always the chance of pilot error.

Instead of using the "insert a scene selection menu", I inserted a submenu from the main menu and copied and pasted buttons and text. Then I navigated from each chapter button to the timeline and adjusted the in/out points. Then renamed the button. No problem.

No big deal, but if's a bug I want Sony to be aware of it.

Dave
Grazie wrote on 6/17/2004, 10:43 PM
David, fly this past me again, in a different way? - I seem to get the gist of it then I miss the plot .. . PLease describe this again . . if you have the time .. yeah?

I too am getting to grips with DVDA2 using the Manual, online help, the Forums, the Video Tute and some phone calls too. . but some of the instruction are a wee bit opaque for me .. nothing new there . .

Grazie
Grazie wrote on 6/17/2004, 10:54 PM
Why doesn't Sony supply a simple WMP file tutorial with their s/w and downloads .. why the big issue about it?

More to the point, they WOULD sell more product . .have less confused early adopters of new software AND get the positive feedback from new users . . . they would also be able to "control" bug notifacation - -they could say, "Well, Grazie, did you follow each and every step in the WMP tute? At which point didn't youi get to where you wantred?" - See what I mean? ..

And another thing - If Sony are the great communicators, how come this has not been openly tabled before? I guess a conversation might have been, "Hey Guys, how feasible woiuld it be for us to put out our own online tutes for each stage? What do you think? Do we have the material to do this?" . .. well, what happened next? I'm for one, waiting for the "other-shoe" to drop! .. Yes there are the DSE disc/s and others work out there . . why doesn't Sony either commission these people? Where's the Rocket science in this? - Yes, there was a series for V3 I think way back in the Sonic Foundry days .. Didn't it work for SF? HAve the owners, Sony, been put off by the idea about providing such suipport .. really odd .. If someone from Sony wishes to contact me off-Forum, you have my email.

.. just another thought .. How about a Vehgas Academy .. something whereby one "Learns & Earns" credits thereby demonstrating familiarity of Vegas. This would be valuable to clients, being employed, "gets" Veags out into the industry .. Loadsa of opportunities here ...

Sorry for this David .. it just developed out of nowhere .. One the advantages of a Forum I guess ..

.. now back to DVDA2 . . < End Action> ... ;-)

Grazie
DavidPJ wrote on 6/18/2004, 5:42 AM
Thanks Grazie. Couldn't agree more with you about the need for tutorials and application and use manuals. I guess Sony leaves it up to third parties such as spot, Gary Kleiner, and the many online sources of education and forums. Since Sony hasn't had Vegas for too long, maybe in the future we'll see more training materials from Sony.
DavidPJ wrote on 6/18/2004, 5:56 AM
Thanks Grazie.

The objective is the create a scene selection menu that returns to the scene selection menu after playing the desired chapter, and to create it using the Insert Scene Selection Menu command.

In DVDA2, insert your media. Then from that media Insert a Scene Selection Menu. Go to your scene selection menu and double click on a chapter. The timeline will show your chapter with in/out points. Move the in/out points or just the end point.

Go back to your scene selection menu, double click on another chapter and adjust the in/out points. After adjusting the in/out points of this chapter go back to the scene selection menu and double click on the first chapter you adjusted. The in/out points will be incorrect and will reflect the positions that you set for the second chapter.

It functions as though you can only have one set of in/out points for the scene selection menu created using the Insert Scene Selection Menu. I've also tried adjusting just the out points for a chapter and it gives the same results.

The obvious explanation is that this is the way it supposed to work and when using the Insert Scene Selection Menu, you can't adjust in/out points for each chapter. Use the Insert Submenu command instead of Insert Scene Selection Menu and adjust in/out points for all chapters.

Hope this helps clarify my experience.
Dave
DavidPJ wrote on 6/18/2004, 9:08 AM
I originally posted my question on the DVDA Forum and SonySDB replied and confirmed the operation I experienced. In/Out points and Insert Scene Selection operate as I described in my postings. Here's SonySDB's reply from the DVDA forum:

"Insert scene selection menu creates buttons that only link to the movie. So, when you change the in and out points, you're essentially change the in and out point for all (because they all link to the same thing). Instead, you need to create multiple instances of the movie. (DVDA is smart only puts the media on the disc once.)

1. File | New...
2. Choose Menu based and press Ok
3. Insert | Media...
4. Choose your "movie" and press Open
5. In the project overview window, double-click your movie.
6. In the timeline window, edit chapter markers as desired
7. In the project overview window, double-click "Menu 1"
8. Insert | Submenu
9. In the workspace, select the button to your "movie"
10. Edit | Copy
11. In the workspace, double-click button for new submenu
12. Repeat Edit | Paste for each chapter point
(Depending on the number of chapter points you may want to do this on several menu pages.)
13. Move buttons to desired positions in menu
14. Double-click each button and adjust in and out point for the chapter"

Thanks again SonySDB,
Dave