Independent clips or subclips from long captures.

GordyHinky wrote on 5/25/2004, 5:13 PM
Is it better to log in and out points and capture clips independently of each other clips or is it better to capture one large clip and create subclips from within Vegas? Going the subclip route seems like it would be easier on the heads of your camera or deck and would probably go faster. However, I fear doing this because of the possibility or corrupting a clip which would then corrupt ALL of my subclips with it? What is your opinion?

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johnmeyer wrote on 5/25/2004, 5:18 PM
I am not sure I understand all of your questions, but I normally capture the entire tape, but have the capture program create a separate file at each point where it senses a time discontinuity (in other words, where the camera was stopped during filming). The device playing back your tape into the computer (i.e., your camcorder or DV deck) does not have to start and stop: It plays continuously.
GordyHinky wrote on 5/25/2004, 5:25 PM
First of all, if given a choice I wouldI like to have each clip contain only elements that could be described in the name I choose to give it. In other words I have more clips than the average person who captures a whole tape or who uses scene detection. Even with scene detection I'm concerned about a corrupt clip causing me to lose not just tht clip but all of the other subclips within it. It seems to me this is what would happen.
Chienworks wrote on 5/25/2004, 6:41 PM
I wouldn't worry about that. Firewire transfer seems pretty robust. I've had major dropouts and even blank sections on a tape. VidCap recovered as soon as there was valid signal again and kept on capturing. The bad section in the middle became valid, if blank, AVI data if scene detection was turned off, or started new clip files with scene detection enabled.
GordyHinky wrote on 5/25/2004, 6:46 PM
I mistakenly threw my VipCap file away a long time ago.
Chienworks wrote on 5/25/2004, 7:08 PM
You don't need the .vidcap file.

Personally, i would really suggest using scene detection. This will start new clip files at each date/time code discontinuity without stoping and starting the camcorder. It takes no longer than capturing as a single clip. Even if it doesn't divide up all the scenes, it will start the job for you.
GordyHinky wrote on 5/25/2004, 9:00 PM
My question is really about file corruption, not about capturing.
PeterWright wrote on 5/25/2004, 10:34 PM
I've not had a corrupt clip in two and a half years of Vegas - don't worry about it, it may never happen - and if it did you can recapture easily.
GordyHinky wrote on 5/25/2004, 10:38 PM
Are you sure recapturing would fix the problem? What about subclips? Would the subclips automatically be identified? Are you just assuming it would be that easy?
Grazie wrote on 5/25/2004, 11:21 PM
. . .er . .what exactly ARE you worried about? Several people have offered solutions, and I see you've understood them. However your are still concerned about this capture business - which is what?

You can't "capture" subclips - these are "grabbed" from the timeline when you've already got the video into the PC - why bring up Subclips amongst your concerns about VidCap? Apologies if you know this already. But I think your concerns about capture is beyond video capture . . . what exactly are your concerns about? . . I'm listening - truly!

Best regards,

Grazie
GordyHinky wrote on 5/26/2004, 12:51 AM
...er...I'm worried that if I choose to capture the whole tape and then make subclips that I might come to regret it if I run into problems.

If I capture an hour long tape as one file, then make subclips from that on file, then create a project using those subclips, then have the ONE file go corrupt on me...well don't I lose the whole darn project from this?
Grazie wrote on 5/26/2004, 1:17 AM
OKay! . . Right [ rolls up "mental" sleeves . .. ] EXCELLENT question .. . I don't know . .BUT, when I've had a HD go bad on me . .lost ALL my captured media and therefore the "links" to it, I openned up my veg file - I always keep these files seaprate and backup elsewhere - yeah? - see that the media on the t/l was empty, of course, went to the MEdia Pool and went to Recapture. Vegas went of and recaptured from each and every tape! This is because there was a media flag/filename for each and every tape and timecode for that sections - yeah? NOW - here's the thing . . WILL subclips be re-captured from, say MyPRoject Tape 1 FIleNAmeClip001.avi and the SUBCLIP be "pulled" from the timecode on the actual original tape? I guess the only way to check this is to experiment with a COPY project and attempt to see . . . now I understand . . good question . .I haven't "read" the V5 Manual with regard to this "Can I Recapture a SUBCLIP reference from an original tape?" If it can . .well that would be a good thing I guess ..

Thanks for asking the question .. Give it a try and see?

Grazie
PeterWright wrote on 5/26/2004, 1:59 AM
I haven't done the recapture thing either - haven't had to, but I would assume that subclips would be retained just like all the other editing decisions and settings made in the project. As Grazie says, always keep a copy of the veg file somewhere "safe".

I've been capturing whole tapes as single clips for 2 years without a problem - that's more than a hundred one hour clips.