Input/output Component Card

Videojohn wrote on 6/15/2007, 7:53 AM
Good evening,

I want to by a card for my PC which allow the input and output of video with component connections (I'm using the JVC HDV Player recorder) and also plan to buy a 16:9 LCD monitor form Panasonic (the new BT-LH2600W - 26").
Can anyone know what's the best solution for this purpose.
Help appreciated. (by the way I;m using Vegas 6)
Thank you
VideoJohn

Comments

JackW wrote on 6/15/2007, 3:34 PM
We've had good experience with ATI cards. Their web site will give you lots of choices.
We've used the All in Wonder Radeon® 8500DV for several years. It has ports for RCA, SVHS and Firewire, in and out. ATI has produced several cards since the 8500DV, too.

Jack
farss wrote on 6/15/2007, 4:30 PM
I assume the man wants HD component I/O?

Look at the cards / boxes from AJA or BMD.

As far as I know Vegas doesn't expressly support component I/O so you're probably looking at HD-SDI I/O. That should be cool as plenty of monitors provide HD-SDI input.

Bob.
rmack350 wrote on 6/15/2007, 4:37 PM
At the professional end of the spectrum there are AJA Xena cards or Black Magic Design Decklink cards. Spot has said here that the AJA cards are very solid, but I think both will work to some extent. Pay attention to slot and storage requirements with these, though. They're not meant for mere consumer systems.

I take it you want HD component input as well as output? Most card manufacturers also say you'll need a striped array to get enough disc thoughput.

If you're talking about the BR-HD50U deck, it looks like it has a serial port for deck control, so as long as the card you get supports deck control (and vegas can use it's deck control) then I don't see why you couldn't capture component from that deck. Not sure why you'd want it from that deck but maybe you've got something else in mind.

Rob Mack

Videojohn wrote on 6/17/2007, 9:53 AM
thanks for the answer,
Yes I'm using the JVC BR-HD50U but for now I import via Fire Wire and what I want to do is to import (and export) in component as well as outputing in component to a good broadcast monitor such as the Panasonic BT-LH2600W. And my question was whis is the best I/O card to use for that purpose and if Vegas supports that kind of connections?
VideoJohn
Bill Ravens wrote on 6/17/2007, 10:52 AM
why would u want to do that? once you've written to tape(and had the video compressed to mpeg2), there's no reason to capture back in component video, as the loss of compression has already been incurred. The cost of a component capture card isn't justified. The only time you would gain image quality is if you captured real time, directly from the camera and before it writes to tape. u'd be better off to capture from the BRD50 via firewire, and convert to uncompressed with your NLE for editting.
rmack350 wrote on 6/17/2007, 11:07 AM
Those two manufacturers are the best choices.

Chances are high (like 100%) that 1394 is the best way to capture from that deck since it's a straight bit transfer off the tape. Having RGB and/or SDI I/O is a bonus of course for monitoring as well as I/O to and from other players and recorders, but I doubt that it would improve captures from that deck.

One possible advantage (and a dubious one) of capturing from that deck via component is that you could write it to the hard disk in a format other than HDV or DV. I don't think that's of much value with component since you're forcing a D>A and then an A>D transcoding onto the picture. It's of greater value with SDI if you have an NLE that is restrictive about the codecs it works with, or if you want to go straight from the deck to some non-hdv codec.

Not to put you off of professional capture cards, there are plenty of other good reasons to have one, but pulling component from that deck instead of digital doesn't seem like one of them.

Rob Mack
Videojohn wrote on 6/19/2007, 10:20 AM
Thanks for the answer,
I just checked my BR-HD50 player/recorder and noticed that it does not have the component IN (nly the OUT) and only a IN/OUT possibilities for Video with one BNC.
So if I understood your advice, there is no need for a professional card to import the footage in component. Fire Wire is enough.
But what do you think of the worth to have a card with component OUT to monitor the footage being edited on a professional LCD sreen (such as the Panasonic BT-LH2600W)? Or the output with the single BNC should be alright? I'm also concerned with the sound going out. Wouldn't it make a difference to monitor the sound going out of the computer through XLR connections? Soory for all these basic questions. I'm not very good at technique but attach importance to picture and sound quality.
Thanks
Videojohn
Bill Ravens wrote on 6/19/2007, 11:37 AM
u can monitor video with either the BNC or the component out. I would suggest using the component out as a monitor, feeding an HD TV monitor. The BNC will supply an SD signal, not really suitable for monitoring HDV. I feed an RGB component signal to my monitor via a VGA adapter. VGA will take RGB analog.
rmack350 wrote on 6/19/2007, 11:44 AM
If your primary source is the JVC deck then audio is embedded in the digital video stream and you really can't do any better than to capture over 1394. It's a direct copy of the digital data on the tape.

For HD output to a studio monitor or perhaps another (non-1394) recorder you need either component or SDI output. HDMI might also possibly be useful for monitoring. Composite won't support HD as far as I know.

XLR audio connectors are nice if you can use them. You kind of need to draw out the whole setup before you start throwing money at it. Measure twice, cut once, you know?

Given the deck and monitor you plan to install, I wouldn't be looking at consumer solutions like the ATI All in Wonder card, unless you just don't have a system that will support the professional cards. Generally, I think the consumer solutions tweak video to make it pleasing rather than accurate. Maybe this is an unfounded prejudice on my part.

Rob