Interesting Problem -- Please help!!

jlharris wrote on 12/4/2000, 8:02 AM
Okay, here is what I am attempting to do:

transfer old 4track master tapes to digital using a
standard tape deck and vegas audio.

Here is how I am doing it:

since the 4track tapes where recorded using 2x tape speed,
I armed my tape deck as if it were doing a high speed copy
(2x) and recorded to vegas side one of the demo

Then I flipped the tape over and recorded the other two
tracks to vegas, of course they were playing backwards.

Then I opened up the last two tracks in sound forge and
reversed them so they would be playing forward again.

Problem:

When I sync up tracks 3-4 with tracks 1-2 of the original
tape, tracks 3-4 eventually loose sync with tracks 1-2.
(Note: tracks 1-2 were recorded to vegas as a stereo pair
in one track. the same with 3-4)

When I sync them they start out together but then loose
sync within about 15 seconds and continue to get farther
and farther apart. I think this has something to do with
the physical tape medium (i.e. the take up wheel on the
cassette being larger and getting larger and the tape
progresses)

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!!!

P.S. I would hate to have to purchase an old 4track analog
unit just to restore these 4track masters!!! AHHHHHHH!
-James Harrison

Comments

bgc wrote on 12/5/2000, 2:09 PM
James,
Unfortunately what you're experiencing is the fact that the
2-track cassette will not play back each side at EXACTLY
the same speed which is causing your sync problems. I
think your only easy solution is to rent or buy a multi-
track tape machine.
Brett

James Harrison wrote:
>>Okay, here is what I am attempting to do:
>>
>>transfer old 4track master tapes to digital using a
>>standard tape deck and vegas audio.
>>
>>Here is how I am doing it:
>>
>>since the 4track tapes where recorded using 2x tape
speed,
>>I armed my tape deck as if it were doing a high speed
copy
>>(2x) and recorded to vegas side one of the demo
>>
>>Then I flipped the tape over and recorded the other two
>>tracks to vegas, of course they were playing backwards.
>>
>>Then I opened up the last two tracks in sound forge and
>>reversed them so they would be playing forward again.
>>
>>Problem:
>>
>>When I sync up tracks 3-4 with tracks 1-2 of the original
>>tape, tracks 3-4 eventually loose sync with tracks 1-2.
>>(Note: tracks 1-2 were recorded to vegas as a stereo pair
>>in one track. the same with 3-4)
>>
>>When I sync them they start out together but then loose
>>sync within about 15 seconds and continue to get farther
>>and farther apart. I think this has something to do with
>>the physical tape medium (i.e. the take up wheel on the
>>cassette being larger and getting larger and the tape
>>progresses)
>>
>>Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks!!!
>>
>>P.S. I would hate to have to purchase an old 4track
analog
>>unit just to restore these 4track masters!!! AHHHHHHH!
>>-James Harrison
cuartodeluna wrote on 12/15/2000, 3:45 AM
Hi.

Have you tried to use the Vegas' built-in time-compression
function in one of the two pairs?

You can use the first and last Kick of the song, for
example, to help you as a guide.

Other simple way to go is just split the event containing
the faster pair of tracks say, every 10 seconds, and
manually adjust them.

Have luck.


Brett Crockett wrote:
>>James,
>>Unfortunately what you're experiencing is the fact that
the
>>2-track cassette will not play back each side at EXACTLY
>>the same speed which is causing your sync problems. I
>>think your only easy solution is to rent or buy a multi-
>>track tape machine.
>>Brett
>>
>>James Harrison wrote:
>>>>Okay, here is what I am attempting to do:
>>>>
>>>>transfer old 4track master tapes to digital using a
>>>>standard tape deck and vegas audio.
>>>>
>>>>Here is how I am doing it:
>>>>
>>>>since the 4track tapes where recorded using 2x tape
>>speed,
>>>>I armed my tape deck as if it were doing a high speed
>>copy
>>>>(2x) and recorded to vegas side one of the demo
>>>>
>>>>Then I flipped the tape over and recorded the other two
>>>>tracks to vegas, of course they were playing backwards.
>>>>
>>>>Then I opened up the last two tracks in sound forge and
>>>>reversed them so they would be playing forward again.
>>>>
>>>>Problem:
>>>>
>>>>When I sync up tracks 3-4 with tracks 1-2 of the
original
>>>>tape, tracks 3-4 eventually loose sync with tracks 1-
2.
>>>>(Note: tracks 1-2 were recorded to vegas as a stereo
pair
>>>>in one track. the same with 3-4)
>>>>
>>>>When I sync them they start out together but then loose
>>>>sync within about 15 seconds and continue to get
farther
>>>>and farther apart. I think this has something to do
with
>>>>the physical tape medium (i.e. the take up wheel on the
>>>>cassette being larger and getting larger and the tape
>>>>progresses)
>>>>
>>>>Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks!!!
>>>>
>>>>P.S. I would hate to have to purchase an old 4track
>>analog
>>>>unit just to restore these 4track masters!!! AHHHHHHH!
>>>>-James Harrison
dcwezalis wrote on 1/16/2001, 1:54 AM


James Harrison wrote:
>>Okay, here is what I am attempting to do:
>>
>>transfer old 4track master tapes to digital using a
>>standard tape deck and vegas audio.
>>
>>Here is how I am doing it:
>>
>>since the 4track tapes where recorded using 2x tape
speed,
>>I armed my tape deck as if it were doing a high speed
copy
>>(2x) and recorded to vegas side one of the demo
>>
>>Then I flipped the tape over and recorded the other two
>>tracks to vegas, of course they were playing backwards.
>>
>>Then I opened up the last two tracks in sound forge and
>>reversed them so they would be playing forward again.
>>
>>Problem:
>>
>>When I sync up tracks 3-4 with tracks 1-2 of the original
>>tape, tracks 3-4 eventually loose sync with tracks 1-2.
>>(Note: tracks 1-2 were recorded to vegas as a stereo pair
>>in one track. the same with 3-4)
>>
>>When I sync them they start out together but then loose
>>sync within about 15 seconds and continue to get farther
>>and farther apart. I think this has something to do with
>>the physical tape medium (i.e. the take up wheel on the
>>cassette being larger and getting larger and the tape
>>progresses)
>>
>>Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks!!!
>>
>>P.S. I would hate to have to purchase an old 4track
analog
>>unit just to restore these 4track masters!!! AHHHHHHH!
>>-James Harrison
dcwezalis wrote on 1/16/2001, 1:54 AM


James Harrison wrote:
>>Okay, here is what I am attempting to do:
>>
>>transfer old 4track master tapes to digital using a
>>standard tape deck and vegas audio.
>>
>>Here is how I am doing it:
>>
>>since the 4track tapes where recorded using 2x tape
speed,
>>I armed my tape deck as if it were doing a high speed
copy
>>(2x) and recorded to vegas side one of the demo
>>
>>Then I flipped the tape over and recorded the other two
>>tracks to vegas, of course they were playing backwards.
>>
>>Then I opened up the last two tracks in sound forge and
>>reversed them so they would be playing forward again.
>>
>>Problem:
>>
>>When I sync up tracks 3-4 with tracks 1-2 of the original
>>tape, tracks 3-4 eventually loose sync with tracks 1-2.
>>(Note: tracks 1-2 were recorded to vegas as a stereo pair
>>in one track. the same with 3-4)
>>
>>When I sync them they start out together but then loose
>>sync within about 15 seconds and continue to get farther
>>and farther apart. I think this has something to do with
>>the physical tape medium (i.e. the take up wheel on the
>>cassette being larger and getting larger and the tape
>>progresses)
>>
>>Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks!!!
>>
>>P.S. I would hate to have to purchase an old 4track
analog
>>unit just to restore these 4track masters!!! AHHHHHHH!
>>-James Harrison