is now getting very irritating

Zulqar-Cheema wrote on 5/12/2004, 2:24 PM
Have had a problem that seems to have reared it's head, involving the fire wire connection. i would appreciate any pointers or if you to have had a similar problem

When printing (with device control) and in some cases capturing from the panny DV10000 & Vegas 4 seems to disconnect with the PC or the other way round. This started about January this year, then stopped and has now re-appeared.

I will be printing some footage, and then at no particular time during record, the machine seems to be still recording the software seems to still be sending, but no recording is actually happening the monitor is blank and the VU's are not moving.
(I am at the moment trying with manual record)

I have to stop the devices and start again, as you an imagine is a pain.
I can still preview from the Vegas time line, after stopping, which indicates it is talking to the Panny, which is odd.

I am guessing it is a windows thingy as the Panny and Vegas have not change since it started. I have noticed when the PC is idle, I will get the bin bongs of a some device connecting and disconnecting for no apparent reason.

Any clues..

Thanks..

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JJKizak wrote on 5/12/2004, 2:53 PM
The Ping bong dong is the firewire connection being lost then being restored by windows. (I think). Could be a cable connection, jack, who knows. Could be something interacting between the device control and the Panny. Have you tried with the option disable device control?

JJK
Zulqar-Cheema wrote on 5/12/2004, 3:04 PM
Am trying at this very moment to see what happens so far 1 hour and 10 Min's and still working.

The cables are the ones I have used since last year.
crooks wrote on 5/12/2004, 8:08 PM
I only have 1394 devices: a 300GB external HD, and a cable I use for capturing from my GL-1; If I try to capture while the external HD is "on" (hooked up and powered on), then I get capture problems. So when i capture, I dont power up the external 1394 HD.......zero frames dropped so far after 46 60 min. mini DV tapes captured. Hope this helps.

Jesse
Grazie wrote on 5/13/2004, 1:49 AM
Cheemie - You got any virus software running? You got any other progs running that step in or out? I had the fan callout on my Dell Laptop doing the "firewire-connection" break. You installed any progs that over look yourr system - since January?

. .trying to help here - honest!

Grazie
Zulqar-Cheema wrote on 5/13/2004, 5:00 PM
The manual print worked all the way through, i stuck a fan on the PC to keep it cool as it was getting warm in my room as you know it can get hot with all that equipment on.

There is nothing running in the background, only the only thing the PC see is the fire wire, the USB, modem, network all disabled.
There have been some small programs installed over the months, mainly video editing stuff and scenelyzer to help this problem in capture.

More testing required, I feel
Spot|DSE wrote on 5/13/2004, 5:10 PM
Any chance you have a cooling fan, NIC, modem, TV card, or other device that is calling for and stealing the resource?
RafalK wrote on 5/13/2004, 5:36 PM
What Spot says, shot down all the unnecessary services, disable your virus scanner, and tell your firewall to hold the Internet trafic. Might be extreme but worth a try.
SonyEPM wrote on 5/13/2004, 5:47 PM
Can you print from a DV camera directly to the deck over 1394 with no problems? We've seen 1394 jacks get bent out of shape by repeated plug/unplug or cable induced stress in the past and this has caused hard-to-pinpoint problems very similar to what you discribe.
wcoxe1 wrote on 5/13/2004, 7:01 PM
I traced this type of problem to the switch on my camcorder that was almost good. That is to say, once in a while, without any warning, it would switch itself off and then back on. It would do it in the middle of a shoot, or a print to tape (The same thing, really) but it was so few times, and so far apart, I was convincing myself that I must be doing something wrong. Then it began happening more often. It finally began driving me nuts it happened so often. Had to get it fixed, and it ain't cheap, either. This was the switch that turns it from VCR to TAPE to OFF. The main switch. Brother, what a pain.
Zulqar-Cheema wrote on 5/14/2004, 2:12 AM
Thanks for al the pointers..people.

When capturing or printing I load a different profile to normal so all service's not required are disabled, so the network is disabled the usb, modem etc. If you look in device manager they are all disabled except the ones required to complete the process of capture/print. The firewall is (ZoneAlarm) is switched off (exit). I used Black Vipers site to disable stuff not required last year.

The VCR is a Panasonic NVDV10000B and the cable is permanently connected at all times and there are no switches to flick. The cable is daisy chained through an external DVD/CD before it gets to the VCR, but the problem was there before the DVD/CD was added and It used to be a hard drive before that in the chain.

Not sure about the internal fan that doe's speed up and when the machine gets hot, but have only noticed this when rendering .

I will try the other connectors on the machine (3 in all) and see if heat is an issue...

Keep the ideas comming
JJKizak wrote on 5/14/2004, 5:38 AM
Not that it is the problem but I do not like firewire daisy chains.

JJK
Zulqar-Cheema wrote on 5/14/2004, 11:15 AM
Did a print today, using the same as normal and the same project I was using when I got these problems and it worked no problem.

have the sunspots stopped?
Grazie wrote on 5/14/2004, 11:21 AM
. .. if you need to ask . .then they haven't . .

I had a well documented "Sonic Foundry" nonsense with fans breaking the flow from a Dell Laptop .. in fact the same one that I'm writing this on . . turned out to be a tiny tiny programme being used to Manage the Power to the redundant battery . . ie the power conservation management programme. WHen it was saying it was "Always On " it wasn't . .it was fibbing to me . . HAH! . . That's why I mentioned the fan thing . .

Grazie