Is reverb supposed to sound so metallic?

riredale wrote on 6/11/2007, 12:22 PM
I've been experimenting with some of the many settings on the Vegas reverb plugin, and at this point nothing sounds that natural to me. They all seem to have that sort of "metal plate" metallic sound to them in varying degrees.

Are there any favorite settings you guys use that closely mimic the sound from a concert hall or church? Are there other products out there that sound wonderful?

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Spot|DSE wrote on 6/11/2007, 12:35 PM
Plate verbs always sound metallic, IMO.
There are smoother verbs available, but the best ones are add-ons to Vegas. Acoustic Mirror (comes with Sound Forge) with various impulses is great, iZotope Ozone is very good, WAVES has some sweet verbs, and there are dozens of various VST verbs (some free) that are quite good.
farss wrote on 6/11/2007, 2:14 PM
Plate verbs always sound metallic, IMO.

That was meant to be tongue in cheek, no?

For those who don't get it, the original plate reverb units were a large sheet of metal hung on springs. The only one I've seen would have needed it's own room. I hadn't a clue what the thing was when I did see it so sadly it got sold off for scrap metal.

Bob.
Laurence wrote on 6/11/2007, 3:29 PM
My favorite free reverb plugin can be found http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/classic-reverb.phphere[/link]. Actually, I love all the Kjaerhus plugins and have two of their pro ones (a voice channel VST and a brick wall limiter). More of their free ones can be found http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/classic-series.phphere[/link]. The quality of both the free and pro plugins is excellent. For instance if I use their free compressor plugin, it sounds every bit as good as the pro one. There is just less control. These are some of the best plugins I know of.
LarryP wrote on 6/11/2007, 7:47 PM
Try keeping the Early Out low very low. The sound will be less spread left to right but less tinny or metallic.

Someone awhile back mentioned the Sonitus:fx reverb from Calkwalk. Keep the diffusion below 50% and it is a well behaved and pleasant sounding tool.

Try putting a couple of reverbs, same or better different, in the effects chain next to each other. I have had some pleasing sounding reverb by doing this.

When you are done make sure the version with reverb sound better than the original by bypassing fx either individually or on the options menu.

Larry
deusx wrote on 6/11/2007, 8:06 PM
If you want really close to natural sounding reverbs ( or, as you describe something that sounds wonderful ), you have to look at Lexicon or TC Electronic. There's no way around it, you can't get Cinealta look with Z1, and you won't get a really great reverb with any NLE or some cheap plugin.

I 've always used TC's hardware delays and reverbs, so I don't know what exacly they have that's software only, but it probably won't be cheap if they have it. ( I know they had some pro-tools plugins, but most likely you are looking at hardware if you want the real thing.)
riredale wrote on 6/11/2007, 10:46 PM
Okay, guys, really dumb question, but how do I install a plugin? It comes to me as a dll file, what do I do with it?
MarkWWW wrote on 6/12/2007, 11:39 AM
If it's just a bare .dll then it's almost certain to be a VST plugin. (The other main type of plugin, DirectX, are a bit more civilised and usually come as an executable installer that copies the files to the appropriate places and then registers everything with Windows for you so you don't have to do anything manually.)

With a VST plugin you just need to copy the .dll to a directory that you will use to house all your VST plugins and then let Vegas know where to look for it (them). The standard place for these is C:\Program Files\Vstplugins\ so if you haven't already got such a directory create it and copy the .dll there. Then go to Options|Preferences|VST Effects in Vegas and type "C:\Program Files\Vstplugins\" in the "Default VST search folder:" box. (As you'll see, you can also have two further directories that Vegas will look for VST plugns in.) Then click the Refresh button and your new plugin should show up in the list of VST effects available to Vegas. Finally click on OK to close the Preferences window and you are finished. The new VST plugin should now be available in the Plugin Chooser along with all the built-in effects.

Mark
riredale wrote on 6/12/2007, 4:48 PM
Thank you; that is exactly the information I was looking for. This must have been covered in the manual, but I never found it.

I'm learning something every day about this great product. My only wish now is that we could find the cause of the "black frames" bug. My final project still has two of them, so I will manually go into a final render and patch them. What a pain.
riredale wrote on 6/12/2007, 7:22 PM
The new reverbs sound very nice. I am torn between two in particular, one called "Ambience" (Magnus) and the Kjaerhus one. Sounds like Carnegie Hall without the rental fee!