Is there equivalent of spot healing tool available for/in svp?

Former user wrote on 8/19/2017, 12:47 PM

I have captured some old vhs video, about 60 minutes. The first part, about a minute in has a horizontal line running through it, fades out then and rest is ok. Its in an area that's intrusive, about a third down from the top, so cropping out isn't an option

If this was a photo I would just use Photoshop Elements healing brush to minimise it. But its video!

Anyone know of software, add in that's available for this ?

 

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jetdv wrote on 8/19/2017, 1:17 PM

You could export that section as a PNG Sequence, heal each image in that sequence with Photoshop, and then import that Image Sequence back in.

JJKizak wrote on 8/19/2017, 2:12 PM

I can't remember if Vegas 14 still does it but you could import Photoshop or Elements as a graphic program and input each selected frame into the graphic then save it back to the timeline in Vegas. I believe there was a small script that did this in 32 bit. This worked the same way that Sound Forge does.

JJK

Former user wrote on 8/19/2017, 5:42 PM

Thanks for the prompt replys and suggestions all.

I'm not sure how Jetdv if you mean to modify every frame in elements, at just under a minute x 25fps thats a lot of frames to edit.

JJKizak, thanks for that.

 

Cornico, any chance you could give me a blow by blow in writing of the steps.

I can't see why/reason for removing right section of top track.

This looks promising.

Thanks.

 

Former user wrote on 8/19/2017, 7:16 PM

 

Ok Cornico, spent the last half hour at it, no joy.

When I move position up down it goes in big steps, not smooth.

When I play video then I can see the outline of the rectangle I made, looks like an imperfect cloaking device, scotty wouldn't be impressed!

I Tried the feather options but had no effect.

Your solution may not be suitable for this, maybe only for a straight line on a single colour background?

Former user wrote on 8/20/2017, 5:31 AM

Ok Cornico, healing 1500 pictures isn't going to happen, for sure. I forgot about the + Ctrl option, thanks.

Its a roughly 1986 vhs tape, other parts are worse, to be expected really.

I was hoping there might be an automated option/plug-in by third party.

I don't think the cookie cutter would solve it either.

I'll try to post image shortly.

ryclark wrote on 8/20/2017, 6:03 AM

I would try running a second track with the same video footage but with the frame moved up or down by enough to cover the defect. Then you can use the cookie cutter and/or masking to overlay some section of the undamaged image over the damaged part. Obviously it will depend on what the picture content is at the point of the damage as to how well this will work.

Former user wrote on 8/20/2017, 6:27 AM

Thanks ryclark.

Mindmatter wrote on 8/20/2017, 7:22 AM

well that's exactly what Cornico tried to explain, he even did a video on it, look above.

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Kinvermark wrote on 8/20/2017, 9:16 AM

Is the shot locked down on a tripod so at least the background isn't moving?  You could try making a clone overlay and then place it on top of the line. You can also do the head and then use a tracker (like Mocha) to track that motion and move the head overlay.   If everything is in motion than IMHO forget it - not going to happen.

Former user wrote on 8/20/2017, 1:02 PM

Kinvermark, the shot was handheld and the subject moves, thanks.

Monoparadox, the old saying ... be careful what you wish for🤡

Unless i'm mistaken this item ... Mocha Pro 5 Plug-in ofx is the correct one for Vegas at $695.00.

This IS the type of tool I was hoping would be available, but man, that's serious dollars😫

Kinvermark wrote on 8/20/2017, 1:56 PM

Looks hard to do. Maybe try the trial version to see what results you get? If you do make something work, please post back here with the results - would be a good learning experience for the forum.

Former user wrote on 8/20/2017, 3:59 PM

Hi Kinvermark. The price is really prohibitive. So even if the trial version worked I wouldn't go ahead and purchase anyway.

Thanks to all who responded with suggestions. There's always the possibility than in some future version of Vegas pro they might include a suitable/similar tool.

monoparadox wrote on 8/20/2017, 4:25 PM

Hi Kinvermark. The price is really prohibitive. So even if the trial version worked I wouldn't go ahead and purchase anyway.

Thanks to all who responded with suggestions. There's always the possibility than in some future version of Vegas pro they might include a suitable/similar tool.


One has to weigh how far they're going to go with their editing. Many end up nickel and diming their way up to the cost of a toolset such as BCC. If one has the desire and the ability BCC has a lot of uses in many situations. It has served me well over the years.

-- tom

Former user wrote on 8/20/2017, 6:35 PM

"One has to weigh how far they're going to go with their editing."

Thats a good observation monoparadox. I took up Vegas in 2014 and probably know ~ 20% of all it has to offer. I find its a really great program.

I generally work on a need to know basis, if I need to get something done that I haven't done before and don't know how then I apply myself accordingly. Putting a lot of effort or money into something that I cannot see ever using again doesn't fall into my way of working.

I currently have 20 vhs and svhs tapes to digitise, 10 v8 tapes, 2 dv tapes and only 1 instance of this issue that I raised here. It probably would have been more accurate to say that the cost was prohibitive for me, rather than generally prohibitive.

Normally I'm a sucker for overkill when it comes to software/hardware tools, but in this instance I tried to control myself.

I won't take any offence from your nickel and diming remark because 1) its just not me. 2) I'm sure you were just speaking generally.

 

 

 

 

JJKizak wrote on 8/21/2017, 7:11 AM

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is how you captured the video with what device. Some of that stuff can be cleared up or reduced with a very good tape deck used for playing back during the capture. I use a JVC Super VHS ET deck which cleans up some of the video.

JJK

Former user wrote on 8/21/2017, 9:30 AM

Hi JJKizak, the material was captured with a Sony V8 camcorder. At this remove I don't know the model, it was a prosumer shoulder mount.

Most V8 material was transferred to VHS, SVHS tapes, I only had some original material kept on V8, big mistake. This piece I no longer have on V8 tape. I did a quick job in 2003, captured all tapes to .mpg.

I did a recapture, V8 to .avi uncompessed in 2014.

In 2017 I decided to capture the VHS, SVHS tapes also to .avi uncompressed, the 1st capture to .mpg was very average, poor, the V8 were already done.

This problem piece was the very first vhs tape I transferred v8 material to, it came free with a Mitsubishi vhs prosumer editor, which I used ongoing, no idea of the name now.

Because I had later used vhs and svhs camcorders and some of the tapes are svhs with maybe? svhs material on them I left them in to a company, only 6, 2 vhs and 4 svhs. I hoped to maybe get a better result especially with the svhs tapes, it wasn't to be. It was only very slightly better than I was getting with my own vhs vcr. The content saved to svhs tape may not have been svhs I don't know.

Initially I was thinking of buying a svhs machine on ebay, I prefer to do it myself, but most are ntsc and you don't know what your getting, heads could be poor, no replacements available by now. I might go back to this option later.

This problem piece was one of the 2 vhs tapes I left in, although the companys machines have tbc unlike my vcr, it was similar to what I captured in 2014. But the poorer .mpg that I captured in 2003 is much better with respect to the horizontal line issue, barely noticeable, indeed you wouldn't know about it if you didn't see the later captures. So i'll use that piece when saving to .mp4's etc, not ideal.

Sorry about the short novel😅