Is this how you treat Forum members ?

FreddyJ wrote on 4/25/2005, 3:13 PM
I never expected to see this sort of response from the Moderators team at Sony. Two forum members just saying what they thought about the latest version of Vegas 6 - with one in a a rather expressive way and the other in the proper manner. For that both the posts are deleted just because you did not like their opinions.

Normally I just search through your forums & dont post any responses. But this incident had me talking.

Forum members are normally allowed to post their opinions if its in a proper way, and thats all I see in these posts. I would really like to know why those were really deleted. Especially when it points to a post like this -
http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?Forum=4&MessageID=372724


its a shame

freddyJ


This is one of the the so-called antagonistic posts:
Subject: Is this how Sony runs their boards?
Posted by: jfer
Date: 4/26/2005 1:17:09 AM

2 Posted topic got deleted within 1/2 hour, why? Who is behind this and why do they have to right to violate my freedom of speech. You may think you can do that at will, but if my opinionated message gets deleted, I will be calling Sony and making noise until I know who's cutting me off. There was nothing offensive in my post, but I'm sure Sopt put his foot in his mouth...so here's was my reply;

Ok, I've been reading this forum for about 3-4 month while using V5 and got the feel of it. It seem like all you supposed "professionals' hammer on amatuers, since when is this forum only for "pros"?

Everyone had to start somewhere, including myself, whether it's for a hobby or a career. It seems that if you don't talk like professional videographer, you get little to no replies. I'm sure the guy who said V6 sucks was frustrated enough, like myself, to post that message. Not saying it's correct in the way is voiced his opinion, but I have to agree with him 100%. Why, because for what I use Vegas for, the V6 does suck. I don't care that the bugs are being worked out now, this thing has too many problems.

And what does coward have to do with posting? I have been reading here for months and posted just a few time only recently. What's your point in calling him a coward? I think, you as a beta tester dropped the ball, unless you can say you've made all theses bug issues known to Snoy before it's release to the public. Hense, we the average userr, ameture to pro, in a home or office should be doing the testing in a real word situation.

So Spot, I'm dropping a load of crap too, if that's how you see it, who gives a darn. You're not here in front of my computer trying to get this to work properly!

To addrss your last comment, I have called Sony and ADS twice and they logged the infor with my specific problems, so yes I do take action, besides posting on here when I felt compelled to.

Hey, if you use a spell checker great, unless you know how to spell every word in the English dictionary, who cares how he spells and who cares if he's a teen.

Your post made less sense then his, his actually coveyed the frustration that I, and probably more feel, but are too "cowardly" to post here....now that's the real truth. So, all you who "bashed" him, butdidn't have the nerve to post your TRUE feeling, just shut up, who cares that you act like a pro, but what to scream. Reality people, get a clue, you're not kidding anyone but yourself. You sould like a bunch of old wash women.

John

Comments

Gonzoman wrote on 4/25/2005, 3:27 PM
Hmmm - I edited my post - not gonna get involved in this mess.

:)
p@mast3rs wrote on 4/25/2005, 3:39 PM
>>>>"2 Posted topic got deleted within 1/2 hour, why? Who is behind this and why do they have to right to violate my freedom of speech.">>>>>

Doesnt matter why, not your board. Owners can delete anything at their discretion. Furthermore, study the law. Freedom of speech only works for the government. The government cant prevent your freedom of speech. A company can, epecially on a privately owned board.

>>>"Ok, I've been reading this forum for about 3-4 month while using V5 and got the feel of it. It seem like all you supposed "professionals' hammer on amatuers, since when is this forum only for "pros"?">>>>

Obviously you are trying to bait people to "hammer" you.

>>>"Everyone had to start somewhere, including myself, whether it's for a hobby or a career. It seems that if you don't talk like professional videographer, you get little to no replies. I'm sure the guy who said V6 sucks was frustrated enough, like myself, to post that message. Not saying it's correct in the way is voiced his opinion, but I have to agree with him 100%. Why, because for what I use Vegas for, the V6 does suck. I don't care that the bugs are being worked out now, this thing has too many problems.">>>

Not as much as talking like a videographer as it is the same questions are being asked over and over and people dont use the search function. Many of the same questions asked have already been answered and dicussed. You can have your opinion, no way is taking that away from you or the moron who said Vegas 6 sucked. But Sony reserves the right to remove posts that are negative and are nothing more than someone bashing and bitching and not offering any solution.

>>>>"And what does coward have to do with posting? I have been reading here for months and posted just a few time only recently. What's your point in calling him a coward? I think, you as a beta tester dropped the ball, unless you can say you've made all theses bug issues known to Snoy before it's release to the public. Hense, we the average userr, ameture to pro, in a home or office should be doing the testing in a real word situation.>>>

Being the user's first post and all he did was bitch and moan, Id call him the same. Sony's product, Sony's beta program, Sony's rules. Dont like it, theres other NLEs. Sorry.

>>>"Hey, if you use a spell checker great, unless you know how to spell every word in the English dictionary, who cares how he spells and who cares if he's a teen.>>>

Looking at your fourth paragraph, you have several mispellings as well. Education today. Lovely.

>>>Your post made less sense then his, his actually coveyed the frustration that I, and probably more feel, but are too "cowardly" to post here....now that's the real truth. So, all you who "bashed" him, butdidn't have the nerve to post your TRUE feeling, just shut up, who cares that you act like a pro, but what to scream. Reality people, get a clue, you're not kidding anyone but yourself. You sould like a bunch of old wash women.>>>

So Sony shouldnt take away your freedom of speech but you feel you have the right to tell people to shut up? Are you a moron or do you just play one on TV? Old Wash Women? Ill take that anyday over a wannabe whiner.





B_JM wrote on 4/25/2005, 4:14 PM
besides a private forum, a government can prevent your freedom of speech also === its done all the time in usa and elsewhere ..

Jackie_Chan_Fan wrote on 4/25/2005, 4:59 PM
It seems that my posts about avid vs vegas6 were deleted recently as well.

I'm extremely sick I just decided to see what was up in the thread.... and its gone now.

I wasnt even bashing Vegas simply pointing out performance issues and explaining to a user who asked..... what i meant by better data management of prerendered clips.

rmack350 wrote on 4/25/2005, 6:21 PM
It's not neccesarily just the single post. I think (and hope) that they're killing threads when they turn into slugfests. I don't know if it applies to your thread but the Vegas Sucks thread had definitely gone there and needed to be put out of our misery.

Rob Mack
DGates wrote on 4/25/2005, 6:56 PM
It's Sony's site. They can do what they want with it.

As far as the "teen's" post being deleted, I don't think anybody really cares. He needed to be kicked to the curb.
rextilleon wrote on 4/25/2005, 8:23 PM
I have been critical of 6.0 but I have expressed myself in a mature manner. Many of the younger people in here have not (I can tell they are younger because of the use of slang and language that I would only use in a bar after having seven drinks!) This is suppose to be a community of fellow Vegas users. Our goal is not to attack Sony, but to help Sony improve this product. These childish rants have to stop. By the way, if you express yourself like a gentleman, your experience will play no part in the responses you receive. The pros in here generally enjoy helping novices.
skibumm101 wrote on 4/25/2005, 8:58 PM
Ya know, it just cracks me up here that people believe that they have certain rights, your not paying anything to be involved in this forum. Your not reading the rules of the forum, but you insist on breaking them, and when you recieve reprocutions for breaking the rules, you think you "have rights"! Bull #$%@. Get a clue. If you dont like the product dont buy it. They have a 30 day unlimited demo! If after that it doesnt meet your expectations, then move along to somthing else and let the rest of us who love vegas get down to business in helping the boys in maddison help make a better product. I cant think of another product that is so involved with its users. Why dont you whinners go complain about Microsoft XP ot microsoft. Yeah that will happen.
Jackie_Chan_Fan wrote on 4/25/2005, 9:18 PM
What cracks me up is that you actually think we dont realize that. I love posts like yours. They're inflamatory for sake of being so.

We of course understand that it is a sony vegas forum. Welcome to the world of the obvious.

I dont know about you, but the thread i was posting in... I was helping someone. I was explaining what good datamanagement of prerendered clips is. The user did not quite understand and asked me to clarify. So i did. I spoke fairly of vegas, and praised it for being a quality product etc.

Perhaps the thread got out of hand after my posts... I wouldnt know. I've been too sick to sit at a computer these past 5 days.

But there has never been a problem with talking about features etc on this forum.






jfer wrote on 4/26/2005, 12:28 AM
It figures, the real cowards always come out with nonsense, but can't back it up. You sound so "bad" oooohhhh. you're a joke. And I'd have no problem telling that to your face, MORON! since you started with the name slinging, pick the place, anytime anywhere in a ring, and lets settle it like men and stop being a bullcrap talker, or shut up...got it, put up or shut up, jackass!

You seem to be the biggest whinner around these forums, I've been reading them for several months while I got to kow who is and whio isn;rt a joke in here and you are definately at the top of the list.

So, if you can sling mud and call names, then do it to my face in a legal setting, I'd be much moire then happy to rearrange your wuss butt for you!

John
p@mast3rs wrote on 4/26/2005, 12:45 AM
Ohhh, Im a scared! Grow up junior. There is more to life than fighting and judging by the lack of your brain cells, you need to keep the ones you have so you can figure out all of your Vegas problems.

Little Johnny, your thoughts or your sister's thoughts of me (we both know she does) mean absolutely nothing to me. Try to bait me all you want sunshine, its not going to happen. As for the moron reference, hey, if the shoot fits....
jfer wrote on 4/26/2005, 1:02 AM
Well I guess if you have to resort to name calling, you're not a man. I called your bluff and you said grow up, great reply from someone sitting in the comfort of their home safe and sound...whimp, you need to grow up. If you start calling names when no one said a word to you or called anyone else names, then you need to back up what you say...this is my way of backing it up, you obviousbly aren't up to the challenge...man...my butt! Oh, and I like how some people on here resort to the spelling issue to backup their professionalism...yea, that makes you a pro. what a turkey.

John
p@mast3rs wrote on 4/26/2005, 1:07 AM
Blah Blah Blah there scrappy doo.

Spelling is common courteousy. Why should we have to sit here and decipher the gibberish to figure out what the heck it is you're saying?

So I have to back up that you are a moron? I think you are doing that as we speak. Thanks for the help sparky.
jfer wrote on 4/26/2005, 1:14 AM
Yup, talk is all you are...you probably try to bully your gf or wife, don't you? Get a life, stop worring about my spelling, that's so trivial it's not even funny. And yes, I admit to feeding into a rediculous thread, but you are just plain stupid with this spelling defense.
p@mast3rs wrote on 4/26/2005, 1:17 AM
Whatever you say there spanky.
chaboud wrote on 4/26/2005, 1:33 AM
This is no place for this sort of arguing.