I have also noticed that none of the "STUDIO" products are being updated Acid Studio is still on 7a and Sound Forge Studio is still on 9d been there for quite some time. like Msmart said perhaps most resources are being utilized for the Pro line. I sure hope that they will turn some attention to the studio line soon, I use them all time (acid and sound forge) my kids use Vegas Studio. For my business I use Vegas Pro. I do love all the SCS software even use Photo GO for pic sorting...

Paul B

Add me to the list of people who are wondering what's going on with Sony Creative Software. Granted they did just release an update for Vegas Pro so maybe this means an update for MS will be forthcoming shortly. I sure hope so.

I did read that Sony lost money this fiscal year which is something that hasn't happened to them before. Perhaps that has something to do with it.

If they aren't going to update VMS, perhaps they should consider lowering the price for the upgrade from VMS to Pro? Anyhow, it's just fair to let us know their plans!

For people who can read dutch (or Google Translate is your best friend):
http://www.dvscene.nl/videosoftware/sony-vegas-movie-studio-hd-10.html

Google Translate works pretty well on this page. It looks like many of the issues with 9B will be fixed. I wonder if the post about ver 10 being available on 08 Jun is correct.

No mention of upgrade price either.

Oooohhh... that looks interesting! (Even though I have Vegas Pro)

Maybe dvscene is jumping the gun a little bit, since there's barely anything else on the web about VMS 10, but there are some real promising additions here. Assuming the Google translation is accurate, it looks like you guys now get up to 10 video tracks. Also, looks like it has some kind of built-in slideshow generator, which lets you pick photos, effects, transitions, etc., then it puts everything on the timeline where you can (presumeably) tweak it further just like any other project:

Link to a Google translated version of the above webpage:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dvscene.nl%2Fvideosoftware%2Fsony-vegas-movie-studio-hd-10.html&sl=auto&tl=en

Slideshow creator stuff:
http://www.dvscene.nl/images/stories/reviews/vegas-movie-studio-hd-platinum-10-slideshow-device-explorer.jpg

Timeline:
http://www.dvscene.nl/images/stories/reviews/vegas-movie-studio-hd-platinum-10-dubbel-avchd.jpg

This looks seriously disappointing. No hardware acceleration? No built in stabiliser? No set timeline interval zoom, let alone one-click focus to edit, and restore? No secondary color correction? And I guess it will drop auto sound track (previously Cinescore) support. If these were going to be included, I guess the article would have mentioned them. Why won't we have at least the same features that other consumer applications have?

The translation had a few confusing parts. Regarding a built-in stabilizer (which Rainer asked about):

"There are no new video transitions, but there is a new video to choppy effect to correct images. This works fine, but the analysis involved in preparing them is time consuming."

I interpreted that to mean that there will be a built-in stabilizer.

Also, regarding hardware acceleration:

"Vegas Movie Studio Platinum HD AVCHD files play smoothly in the highest quality preview. Even after using effects, the picture is not Happer. At the same time showing two AVCHD files in a split screen preview quality is automatically halved, so the video will play smoothly."

The review didn't discuss how Sony did it, but that it apparently does have substantially better performance with AVCHD. Whether that means hardware acceleration or not, I don't know, but if it can handle AVCHD with effects and in the highest quality preview and do it all smoothly, that sounds like they are using hardware acceleration.

Sony hasn't released any official announcement, so it's too early to know what improvements will be available ultimately. Sure, it would be really cool if they do add secondary color correction, but I do understand that there have to be some differences between the consumer-priced version and the professional-priced version of the program.

You didn't mention the new goodies that will apparently be added, like 10 video tracks rather than 4 and much better AVCHD performance. That's pretty cool. Apparently there will be Blu-ray authoring:

"Finally it is possible to Vegas Movie Studio Platinum HD assembly on the timeline directly burn to DVD or Blu-ray. This happens or without menu, because if you want you need to export the assembly to the included DVD-authoring program, DVD Architect 5.0. This application is the only innovation that now can create menus that can be used on a Blu-ray disc."

So, it doesn't sound seriously disappointing to me. Not at all. However, the review didn't go into enough detail to know, but after two years, it is true that numerous improvements should be expected.

"Vegas Movie Studio Platinum HD AVCHD files play smoothly in the highest quality preview. Even after using effects, the picture is not Happer. At the same time showing two AVCHD files in a split screen preview quality is automatically halved, so the video will play smoothly."

My interpretation of this is that V10 will display only half the scan lines for each frame during playback. I saw nothing in the translation that made me think any video card resources would be used. It sure will be interesting to see how it actually works.

Does anyone know what Sony's prior policy on upgrade pricing has been? I understand they provided free upgrades for .x incremental changes, but what about full release upgrades? And what's the thinking on all the different consumer versions of Vegas? Will they straighten it out and have one version?

My guess is the upgrade from Vegas MS Plat. 9b to HD 10 will cost money. If so I'm going to have to decide whether to stick with Vegas (which I like a lot except for the quirky issues it has) or switch to Magix Movie Pro 16 which just came out and seems to offer comparable functionality without the quirks.

It's always something........

Yes, upgrades cost money.

To give you an idea, the v9 upgrade was $49.95 for VMS9, $69.95 for VMS9PE, and $89.95 for VMS9P Pro Pack. For registered users there was a 20% off promotion during August '08 (you get an email announcing the special)

Good info - thanks. I guess it's reasonable to pay for a meaningful upgrade. Heck, just being able to output Blu-Ray HD files would be worth a lot.

I've been testing Magix Movie Edit Pro for a couple of days. My results so far:

1. It seems to have virtually all the editing functionality of Vegas along with the ability to burn Blu-Ray disks with menus etc.

2. The interface is somewhere between PowerDirector & Vegas, but closer to PowerDirector. In other words, it has more of a consumer/amateur interface which I don't like nearly as much as the Vegas interface.

3. Magix has crashed repeatedly on my Win7-64/6GB system with memory problems while doing still image pan/scan operations. I do this a lot so this is a deal breaker for me.

I'm eagerly awaiting the formal announcement of Vegas 10.

Could this be real?.....

http://www.provantage.com/sony-creative-software-msppms10000~7SOSO028.htm

I don't know what the Photo Go image is all about but click on the "Overview (10 Variations)" link for other versions of this supposed VMS 10.

Searching for part numbers MSPPMS10000 and MSPVMS10000 turn up a number of online stores that appear to be gearing up for v10's release.

That is an interesting page. I was surprised to see CInescore still bundled with Vegas. Previous posts here suggested Cinescore was being discontinued. I guess not.

It's also interesting that there has been no mention of V10 in any of the Vegas Pro forums. The Pro people just got 2 updates in the last couple of months, but they are still at Ver 9 (E i think currently) so maybe they are happy with that.

If I remember correctly, VMS9 came out before Vegas Pro 9.

With all the effort put into Pro 9 updates d and e, I'm sure that VMS 10 code will be based on them. We all know that VMS is just "crippled" Pro, right?

I'd seen the Provantage listings, but I'm thinking they are using an old VMSP description with the new title. I do think that Cinescore is really dead. (I am *guessing* that future scoring capabilities will probably be some kind of integration with Sony ACID. But that's really just a guess.)

Also, the Provantage listing doesn't mention the slideshow creator feature, which I think it going to be a big new feature that will be well promoted. We all know how much work is involved in making a simple slideshow in Vegas manually... Also doesn't mention being able to create BluRay discs with menues in DVD Arch Studio.

I'm eager to find out more -- I imagine non-disclosures must be about to expire if the June 8th availability date is accurate.

No real specifics, but Amazon also shows a June 8 date in the US.
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Vegas-Movie-Studio-Platinum/dp/B003L51CZ8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1274665019&sr=8-1

"Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum 10 Production Suite takes HD video and audio production to the next level with additional tools for professional-level sound design and more video effects and transitions. Use the included Sound Forge Audio Studio software for precise audio editing; then enhance your multimedia projects with 400 exclusive music soundtracks. Quickly learn essentials with the included tutorial DVD. "

"400 exclusive music soundtracks"? Perhaps this is what is replacing Cinescore?

I am also wondering what (if any) NewBlueFX will be included...Of course, hardware accel., better AVCHD playback and editing and a Quictime fix, BluRay menu &burning would be even more significant improvements. I would also love to see being able to control the DD5.1 panning as they do in the pro version.

Lots more details here:

> CAUTION: This page might play audio for a video game ad.
> Make sure your speakers aren't turned up too loud
> (or your boss might catch you goofing off at work :)

(Update May 27 -- looks like this link is now offline...)
http://www.gem.co.uk/product/?id=MSPPMS10000

Slideshow creator, image stabilization, secondary color corrector, one-click white balance, etc., surround sound panning, New Blue FX.

Of course the image stabilization could be the NewBlue one, or it might be something Sony has created. We'll just have to wait for more details.

Great find TIm, thanks.

Reading that is sort of like interpreting the Rosetta Stone or something like that. Here are a few of the things I found particularly interesting:

1. Use image stabilisation technology to reduce jitter and shaky video footage: sounds like they have included something like the New Blue software. My guess is they would opt to buy rather than build this.

2. Secondary Color Corrector & White Balance: sounds ideal for matching stills and videos which is a nice one for me since I color correct my stills before adding them to the timeline.

3. Burn Blu-Ray disks: a key improvement for sure, esp. since it supports burning 1920x1080 output to regular DVD media as well as Blu-Ray disks.

4. Improved memory and playback performance: hopefully this means they have included the 64-bit fix and memory leak fix. Doesn't sound like they have made use of the graphics card processor.

5. Support for FLAC and LPEC files: who knows what these formats are? Not me!

6. Multithreaded audio engine: suggests maybe they will finally make use of all 8 CPUs on an i7 CPU, presumably both for audio & video..

7. included Sound Forge™ Audio Studio software: looks like this does seal the coffin on Cinescore. Sort of surprising to me they bundle a complete app that sells separately, but OK.

Overall a great sounding upgrade. Now I wonder what sort of price break current Vegas MS owners will get.

Didn't see anything in the UK link about 10 video tracks that was mentioned in an earlier post. Anyone have word about that?

I think they would played up the extra tracks in their marketing, if there were any, so I'll suggest that they won't be there on June 8.

Looking at the differences between
http://www.gem.co.uk/product/?id=MSPPMS10000 and
http://www.gem.co.uk/product/?id=MSPVMS10000;

Looks like the Suite has Sounforge Audio Studio, extra NewBlue FX, and 40 extra royalty-free soundtracks (apparently they had 360 in VMSPP 9 - so maybe these are still Cinescore??),

Doesn't look like there will be smart rendering of AVCHD, but if they have dramatically improved playback during editing, that is a step in the right direction.

Only a few days to go...

Google has a cached version of the webpage I linked to above....
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:pOwDG-PcYT0J:www.gem.co.uk/product/%3Fid%3DMSPVMS10000+MSPVMS10000&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Also, even Dell has the new product listed:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Accessories/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&sku=A3829255#Overview

But neither of these mention the 10 tracks that the Dutch review mentioned. Hope it's true. But I guess you can't count on anything you see on the web until Sony officially announces VMS 10 HD.

Tim L

The Dutch text actually writes "10 tracks for audio and video, up from 3 in the past". This line is obviously ambiguous, and incorrect (there were 4 video tracks in previoius versions).
I think you can forget about ten video tracks; expect 6 at most.