It's Official ! New Sony Acid 5 a Super Audio App.

Newf wrote on 6/6/2004, 5:33 PM
Well maybe not official but certainly obvious. Here's how the story goes... I was messing with the Screenblast Acid 2.0(non-upgradeable version) that came with my 2 yr. old Sony Vaio(1gig,Ath.4) and I accidentally hit the F9 key. Suddenly I found myself inadvertently hacked into the secret new underground fibre optic cable network under the Sony Pictures lot in Culver
City, Hollywood. Wow! This is the shared media storage and networking solution implemented under the direction of Sony DPE division manager Eric Rigney. While much of the design hardware is contracted out to Avid Technology it optically links all of the Sony human talent such as directors story boards, animation, digital video, music production people and their fabulous computers all in different buildings on the vast lot.
To make a long story short some of the buzz I accidentally intercepted refered to the great new audio features in Acid 5 like multitracking and expanded Rewire capabilities. But hey, like the Clash said, "I ain't giving away no secrets".
The upshot of what I'm saying is that Vegas owners who dont use the excellent video features in V5 should maybe ask Sony for a crossgrade price from V5 to A5. It would seem that the new features available in A5 should answer most of the audio requests posted lately-maybe not. I personally am so taken with the video and audio in V5 that this crossgrade request dosen't apply to me as by budget will not afford the full price of A5.....pity.
This short story is soley intended to steal the thunder of the Acid 5 beta testers and to stimulate discussion about the crossgrade idea from V5 to Acid 5 for those who dont use the V5 video features. Hope this is of some help. Good luck and all be blessed- I'll wait for V6 or V7 for Rewire.

Comments

tmrpro wrote on 6/6/2004, 6:10 PM
ACID should become the audio application and Vegas should just focus on Video.

This makes complete sense to me because everything is already basically in ACID:

1. Acid Loops
2. MIDI tracking and editing (needs more functionality, but...)
3. Audio Recording (needs multitrack & editing functionality like Vegas, but...)
4. Rewire (sorta there..... needs real rewire functionality... but....)

I've been praying real hard for this and I hope they do it and do it right....
PipelineAudio wrote on 6/6/2004, 10:59 PM
please god no, Vegas rules, Vegas is the multitrack app THE multitrack app
Sari wrote on 6/7/2004, 5:05 AM
No, no, no. Please whatever you do, keep Vegas with all it's audio might. Don't touch it. I am with pipe on this.
Arnar wrote on 6/7/2004, 6:36 AM
I certainly hope that Vegas will be staying as it is.

Needs improvements but its still the BEST, BESTEST or even the BESTESTEST multitracker in this solar system.
Ben  wrote on 6/7/2004, 6:42 AM
Bit confused here as to what Newf's talking about. Is this based on any fact at all, or is he just blatantly winding us up?

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Chienworks wrote on 6/7/2004, 8:41 AM
I think he's just winding us up.

ACID is a looping & music creation tool. It is not and never has been a multitrack audio recording/mixing tool. I don't know why so many people want it to be when there are much better choices available.

Consider one of ACID's primary ease of use features is the single file per track design. You assign a specific sound file to a track and it is available throughout the entire duration of the project simply by painting that track in that spot. However, when working with non-loop-based recording and mixing, this could be a very annoying nightmare as each additional file will require it's own track. In Vegas you can lump as many different files onto a track as you wish.

For that matter, the whole "painting" aspect of ACID is just wrong for a multitrack recording/mixing application. It's great for assembling loops into music. It's horrid mixing entire tracks.

Let ACID be ACID and let Vegas be Vegas. If you don't like the way ACID mixes multitrack audio, then use a program that does it properly ... Vegas.
tmrpro wrote on 6/7/2004, 8:50 AM
I'm not saying to loose the functionality of Vegas, guys..... I'm saying to apply it to ACID so all of the audio multitrack needs would be met in one place.

Further upgrading Vegas for more audio functionality has a means to an end for audio unless they implement all of the ACID capabilities in to it.

If you add rewire to Vegas, you will need to implement an entire midi tracking functionality to a program that hasn't even touched on that functionality...

That doesn't make sense....

Also, you would be rewiring to 3 applications if you wanted to use ACID loops and a softsynth and use Vegas as the mix and processing platform....

That is an additional resource that would be unnecessary if ACID had Vegas' mixing and tracking functionality applied to it. You would use ACID and your softsynth, have lower CPU usage resulting in better CPU performance and a slew of audio functionality all within a single program.

Think about it....
gjn wrote on 6/7/2004, 9:43 AM
Do not be selfish sirs.
If acid is for you managements of loops, there is a version for it;

But if acid is midifile, vst, rewire, then it is necessary whether it is also multitrack for the users who want need.

I for the first time I did not buy the evolution of vegas 5 .it represent a program above all video now.
I do not need an it.

There is a big market for acid mutitrack.

logic Audio 6, sonar,ableton4, and soon cubase look at , they manage loops and make all the rest.

It is more ergonomic.
PipelineAudio wrote on 6/7/2004, 9:48 AM
but vegas already does have a midi recorder. Its recording the control surfaces right now
tmrpro wrote on 6/7/2004, 10:34 AM
but vegas already does have a midi recorder. Its recording the control surfaces right now

Notation and compositional tools are very different from contriol surface implementation.

I write songs and compositions and develop my work in pre-production utilizing loop based and midi notation sequencing to be added and performed with when live tracking later occurs, overdubs are added and final mixing and mastering is done to complete the process.

I'm all about music/audio .... the incredible video functionality of Vegas is completely worthless to my workflow and probably interferes with Sony's ability to implement certain functionalities into Vegas that I and other "Audio-Only" users need to have in our daily workflow.
randygo wrote on 6/7/2004, 11:32 AM

I don't understand about why many Acid users are so adamant that Acid should not
support mulittacking.

As far as I can see, Acid would only need to be extended to support a new track type
that allows unlimited media clips per track, rather than one media file per track.
Legacy Acid users that don't care about multitracking would never need to use this
new track type. Those of us who care could add these tracks and have Vegas-style
edting.

I'm a Vegas 5.0 user and LOVE it for audio. I've never used the video stuff. I would switch
to Acid in a heartbeat if it allowed Vegas-style multitracking as an additional feature.

Technically, I don't see any reason at all why Sony could not do this. There might be some
factors to consider like what does it mean to change tempo, etc., for these new track
types, but I'm sure some reasonable behaviours could be configurable.

I think this kind of change is necessary unless Sony wants to lose their customer base
to up and coming challengers like Ableton and others.

Randy
Weevil wrote on 6/7/2004, 3:57 PM
Technically I think this would be massively difficult for Sony. To the point that I’m sure our departed friend might say it was impossible.

My god I wish it would happen though...IF it could be done properly.

I’ve said it before, but it is no coincidence that the audio development of Vegas stagnated the instant the video stuff arrived.

They didn’t suddenly start spending twice the development money on Vegas; they simply diverted money away from audio into video.

The program has become a two headed monster...and they have fed one of the heads a hell of a lot more than the other.

99.9% of the recent angst in this forum is because audio users feel disillusioned by the lack of progress the program has made. None of this happened overnight; it has been building for a long time...I totally understand how people like JD feel. I reckon a big percentage of the userbase feel they have been very loyal to the program, but don’t feel the program has been loyal to them at all.

Attempting to have both Fully fledged video and fully fledged audio in the one application is always going to be a huge compromise...and we are always going to be the ones who get the short end of the stick.
zemlin wrote on 6/8/2004, 4:43 AM
Sounds like you might want to check out Adobe Audition 1.5.
[r]Evolution wrote on 7/16/2004, 7:34 PM
If VEGAS stays a bad @$$ Audio & Video editor there's nothing on the market that could compare! You could master one program and be able to do almost all of your work in that one program. Now that would be awesome!

And if more of ACID's features would find it's way into VEGAS... I'd be stoked! Hell, if VEGAS could open ACID projects and let you complete your multitracking there... Now That WOULD be awesome!