JavaScript error in forum

TorS wrote on 12/7/2002, 5:22 AM
Something SoFo did to this forum yesterday is giving me JavaScript eroor messages every time I open a page or reload it. Also I can no longer post (nor reply) using my Opera browser; had to resort to the ol' MSIE to give you this message.
I have faith in Opera sticking to the standards, and everything was OK until yesterday. So I believe that someone made an programming error - or they allowed Front Page to do it for them (meaning MS have a tradition of bending standards in HTML, so why not in JavaScript as well).
I'm not trying to start a browser war here, I just want to be able to continue using this forum with my preferred browser.

The error message is:
Error:
name: ReferenceError
message: Reference to undefined variable: No such variable 'SubNavLoaded'

Perhaps it makes sense to someone?

Tor

Comments

BillyBoy wrote on 12/7/2002, 6:43 PM
Microsoft has always bent the "rules" relative to non-standard HTML and scripting, but then again so did Netscape... remember the two of them going head to head in past browser wars. Not surprising, Microsoft won.

My guess without really checking into it is the new forum page uses some JavaScript that only works correctly in Microsoft's browsers.

I got to wonder WHY people PAY for a browser like Opera. <wink>

Yes... been there, done that too. Opera is a cute little browser, but pay for it?
No sir.
TorS wrote on 12/8/2002, 4:09 AM
It was OK even when the new design was introduced. But something changed a day or two after that. Now (Sunday morning here) it seems OK again - and if you're reading this message, it is.

Tor
Cheesehole wrote on 12/8/2002, 11:04 AM
the most annoying thing is when you go to a page that excludes opera, even though it would work fine. like http://www.infocus.com/ they are so arrogant.

free software is great but Netscape hasn't made a good browser yet and IE hasn't made any usability progress in years so maybe they need to start charging and put something worth paying for into them. it's nice to think of your audience instead of just the advertisers. IE6 has lots of new stuff... if you are trying to make money on the internet. nothing for users.

there are good things about all the major browsers. IE has the tightest fastest Javascript engine and the best document object model, so developers love it. Opera has the best user features and best browsing environment by a long shot, so techies who like to customize and like shortcuts and like to have 20 pages open all the time love it. Netscape... hmmm... I'm not sure why people use that browser. the older versions work on Unix, Linux, and other operating sytems so I guess that's a plus.

here's something worth paying for... each time I open Opera I have all the pages that were open when I shut it down already open. I just leave this forum and a bunch of other stuff open all the time. since it is an MDI all the pages are in one window and don't take any space on the task bar. even if I crash while browsing, Opera opens up exactly where I left off. I can zoom in on pages on the fly (with the middle scroller just like Vegas) which helps when running at a high resolution like 1600x1200. I can double click a word in any page and get a dictionary definition, or google search it instantly. when I click to download a file, it starts downloading immediately and doesn't stop no matter how long I take to locate a place on my system to store it. (IE stops after 100K or so which is pointless for broadband users) that is really useful when you have to wait in line to download something (fileplanet). I can leave it alone and come back hours later and it's already downloaded. IE would be sitting there asking where to save, and would have only the first 100K of the file.

there's a lot more than that but I just wanted to give a little push for Opera. it's one of those underappreciated but amazing programs that doesn't have a very big marketing department behind it. (sound familiar?)
BillyBoy wrote on 12/8/2002, 1:35 PM
Sure but... WHY pay for a browser when you can get a decent one for free?

The few benefits you mentioned won't switch the unwashed masses. Microsoft knows that. Microsoft may only make "average" software, but Billy G and company are EXPERT at marketing their average software to Joe Average which accounts for probably 90% of their sales.

It nice when you have GREAT software, but if hardly nobody knows you have great software some company that only creates average software but has tons of money to pour into marketing will win a larger share of the market. Maybe not fair, but that's how the world works.