What?!? - That's really silly . . . It's one thing to remove something . . . it is another thing NOT to make it blatantly crystal clear that the "Details" I followed in Vegas for entering titles etc WOULD then NOT appear in the CD, on a player that is . . er . . failry global.

I'm not too pleased with this.

Bob, I come to various parts/items of V5 when and where I have the need or time to pursue them. This is another one of these times. This "CDA" format was dropped from SoFo to Sony? Is that possible? As I say, when I get around to something, it is then that I use it. I was thinking I had done something silly - no? It was there - or rather NOT there - in the s/w to start with? Why have me jump through hoops in typing this stuff out! ! ! ! I really hope you/I am incorrect .. .

I'm talking about Track titles, not the subtitles or text within the menus that show up in WMP - what are they called? .. Yeah?

. .hmmm...

Grazie

Bob, this from . . er .2001?

http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=84661

Grazie

John Mayall, eh? That brings back memories. Did I mention I played in a Bluesbreakers-inspired band way back then, from 67 on? We were backing Eddie Boyd and Champion Jack Dupree when they were in town. Eddie said he preferred us to Chicken Shack (but I don't think he meant we played better, probably just easier to cooperate with).
Don't get me started on that ...

What was that Vinyl Restoration you used? Part of Noise Reduction? I have not used that feature yet. You liked it?

However, big surprise this end if neither Vegas nor CDA can make CD text. I mean you can do that with the tools that are handed out along with (some) CD burners. PlexTools writes CD text if you want it to. You could prepare your audio in Vegase/Sound Forge/Noise Red and burn you CDs with Nero or whatever. If you have a Plextor burner you can get PlexTools for free.
But, Most CD text windows may not be big enough to display John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers: The diary of a band volume one
Tor

Hello TorS,

Well, not for me to gainsay your feedback, but really - having an "option" to insert Track Indices; name Tracks and insert Regions and whatever else . . where am I supposed to be using ALL this information? There isn't even any reference - I can tell - saying "Vegas wont show all this stuff you are writing in Windows Media Payer!" - It's a bit "thick"! - Really! Bit of a bad show, if you ask me .. . Plus what I read from the "other" post was a bit thin on reality - "Not many CD players support Text", so we don't support it! - Well I KNOW THIS! My CD player wont . . that's not the point! The point IS that I do play my old tracks on my PC, which has WMP which in turn supports TEXT! That's my point . .. give me a tool and I'll use it . . . . It's when I jump through "hoops" thinking that I can do something AND I recognise that s/w that is "bundled" with burners, on Mag covers; gets thown away with the latest CD wizzo thingie that I think not, IMHO, unmistakenly that when I burn an Audio CD, within my lovely Vegas that text will be seen in WMP. I don't think my logic and expectations are too far apart on this one - yeah?

. . . . .. ( ch i l l ) . .. . . ..


"What was that Vinyl Restoration you used? Part of Noise Reduction? I have not used that feature yet. You liked it?" yeah all of the above and went backwars and forwards made some nice adjustments . . .worked nicely . .. . .. . .

Yes, all the stuff you mention about "other" s/w being able to do it I've covered, but Vegas has got what it takes for NOT to go out of the house and around the houses - just to do TEXT? PLease?! . . . My new Compaq pc even came with a free "RecordNow" s/w which I could potentially use. Nero has their own version of "lumpy" GUIs - if you can get a "lumpy" GUI! - HAHAHA . .that's quite funny really . . .

.. sorry for venting - no I aint . .. It's just plain daft, silly and infuriating . . . No point looking at SF or ACID I suppose? Hah, that's another thought! Does ACID not also have this TEXT in WMP!?!? . ..

No, I'll calm down now . . .. Nurse! Grazie needs his Meds - NOW, would be a good time! - Yeah?"

Sony, you've got great products . .. but on this one, I really do feel I've been lead somewhere "other" than I thought .. yeah?

Best regards,

Grazie

Hang on,
just remembered, there's something funny about WMP not playing CD text in the standard way that other media players does. Look into that, Grazie boy. I can't remember the details, but I suppose it's yet another story of Microsoft trying to muscle in their own standards to eventually take over the world. See if you can make Vegas create DC text that will show up in another player. Worth a try, don't you think?
Tor

And don't ask me what DC text is.

I used Vinyl de-crackle, hiss, pop, fart and my own recipes.

I've done over a hundred 33 rpm, 78 rpm, and dictation discs. When using the Noise Reduction plugin, I find the "Click and Crackle Remover" works better than the one in the Vinyl Noise reduction. Just set the Vinyl click removal down to its minimum value.

Also, avoid the temptation to remove too much hiss, rumble, etc. The clicks can be removed with virtually no artifacts, but removing the other stuff often leads to unpleasant muddiness.

Finally, before you burn your CD, scan the audio timeline at a moderate amount of magnification (I use the page down key to "scrub"), and look for remaining "spikes." These are easy to spot, because they look like vertical lines, usually way above the average sound level. These may be really bad clicks that are too long in duration for the click algorithm (in either the Vinyl or Crackle tools) to remove. These you have to fix manually. I do this in SoundForge. You select a little bit on either side of the click and then either use the Replace tool or, if their is no click on the other channel, then use the "Copy Other Channel" tool.

Good to know there's hope for when I get around to my old vinyl. I've done some vinyl repair in Sound Forge, but manually, before i got Noise Reduction. It takes a lot of time, but it works. One one of my Clarence Gatemouth Brown records the needle had made a scratch all through most of Sheriff's Barbeque. Sound Forge fixed it.

Anyway, Grazie, I'm sorry I couldn't help with the CD text. Just had a vague memory of some CD text not showing up in WMP while it did elsewhere.
Tor

OT
Eric Clapton, Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck were all born within a few months in the same year (was it 43 or 44?) very few miles from each other (was it Kent, Surrey?). They all played at one time with the Yardbirds and they all went on to John Mayall's Bluesbreakers. They were three of four great British guitarists at that time. The fourth was Albert Lee (whom you will have heard if nowhere else then on a great number of Emmylou Harris albums). I think he came from Ireland, but it's fair to call him a British guitarist. And the funny thing is - the other night I saw him and Eric Clapton together on stage at the TV production from the George Harrison memorial. I almost cried when I saw that boy Dani Harrison, so like his father when the Beatles began. I pray he doesn't have to die of cancer before he's sixty.
T

(OT)

Tors

You backed Champion Jack Dupree, I'm impressed he was one of my favourites, I saw him in the early 90's at the 100 club on Oxford Street. He had a go at playing just about every instrument on the stage! My dad backed him in the 70's and even had a fried egg sandwich round at his house in Hull.

Martin

JM - Most Excellent tips! Nice one! - And yes, I've landed on the non Sony one as my fav corrector . . neat and easy . . I like the SF copy overe tip too .. . and NO I wont and haven't got rod of too much hiss .. I know exactly what you mean . ..

TorS - Yes, one of the LPs I'm about to "clean-up" is "Solid Bond . . A double album of the Graham Bond band:

* Jack Bruce

* Dick Heckstall-Smith

* Ginger Baker

* Jon Hiseman

* John McLaughlin

.. and er . .one Graham Bond!

One of the LPs was recorded at Klooks Kleet . . maybe 1963?

. . hey ho . . .

Grazie

I've been racking my memory and I just don't remember Jeff Beck or Jimmy Page playing with John Mayalls Bluesbreakers. (maybe they jammed somewhere, but I don't remember reading about this and I was way into all of them.) Are there any recordings of this? I do remember the other British great, Peter Green.

Just to clarify, nothing in the Sony product line in general and CDA in particular supports CD Text. Take a look at the CD Architect forum. Just about every second post is someone asking for it and NO response from Sony of this.
To say we don't support it because not many players can display it is plain dumb, if my client wants it I have to give it to them. If any of their clients ever get to see it isn't my concern. I shouldn't have to apologise for the applications I chose to use. As has been said applications that come for free with CD burners can do it, sure I could use them but I'm trying to do a better job than the kid down the street. That's why I PAY for decent applications, after all Windows Movie Maker is also free but I can think of about 1000 reasons why I don't edit with that.

/end of rant/

Bob.

TheG8Steve. This morning I think you're right. At least in suspecting that there are no recordings of the Bluesbreakers with JB or JP.

Martin. Yes indeed. Champion Jack Dupree was a one time thing, though. Eddie Boyd was more of a regular. He's had coffe and cakes with my mother at our home.

Grazie. Didn't John Mayall make a live recording at Klooks Kleek, too? The right MarKee of its time, wasn't it?

Bob. If you do all the preparations - and do them well - in Vegas or whatever "pro" app you may have, and burn with something lesser that supports CD text, you will be doing a better job than the street kid.
But yes, as you know - the burning app will identify itself on the burnt media. For all to see. (He used WHAT?!?!
Tor

Bob! Spot on! - It IS totally balmy, IMHO, and you make the points very clearly . . .. .

Is there a way to "take" the Region names I've created and have them become the FIle names when I do a batch render? We have many scripts that Batch render - I've used it to good effect. What I want is that same "process" copy the Region name to name the files. This will then give me lined up filoes ready to Copy either via WMP or use Nero to make CDs where file names become . . well, track names. So far, I've done this manually and t is a right Royal pain in the posteria!

Ok .. . and now for something completely different:

Intrigued by the request for some diggin' on thre BritBlues scene, how about a photo of . . .. .

"The Ealing Club, 1962, L-R: Dave Stevens, Dick Heckstall-Smith, Alexis Korner, Jack Bruce, Mick Jagger, Cyril Davies

. .all in one photo!?!?! . .. here yah goes!

Grazie

Grazie,
even though I earn a lot of my income from writing software I've been too busy (or lazy) to try my hand at writing script so I cannot say for certain if what you're after is doable but as it wouldn't need any of the Vegas internal to be exposed I'd guess it's doable.

Bob.

Bob, understood.

I've asked Prof. Edward!

Grazie

Grazie,

Here's a C&P of one of my posts on the Sound Forge forum. I've converted most of my vinyl to CD, maybe this will help you.

BEGIN C&P;

All of these noise removal plugins have have a point of diminishing returns. Check the 'Keep residual' box to hear what will be removed, if you hear some of the program material along with the crackle it's set too aggressive. Be sure to un-check it before processing or that's all that will be in the file ;-)

Click an Crackle removal is my tool of choice for vinyl. Noise Reduction is not suited for this as it's best at sustained constant frequency noise such as tape hiss, air conditioner noise, 60 Hz hum etc. not spontaneous transients such as clicks and crackle. Using more that one noise removal plugin is going to degrade the audio significantly. Actually all processed performed on audio degrades it but noise removals are very destructive.

First if you have abused albums, literally wash them with dish liquid and an album cleaning brush following the grooves lightly > rinse thoroughly avoiding the label > let most of the water drain off, play and record with it WET. The water provides just enough of a lubricant to reduce static etc. remarkably well.

Obviously let it dry before placing it back in the jacket. Rinsing with distilled water would be ideal.

Here's my method of converting my vinyl to CD using Sound Forge. This works well for me.

First and probably most important is to make sure the LPs are as clean as possible, the stylus, turntable, preamp and connections are in excellent shape of course.

Keeping in mind 'less processing is more'...

Set the recording level peaks at about -6 to -3 dB. This makes the Plugin Chainer settings work without much tweaking.

Record the whole album as one file, this way the relationship remains intact between tracks as it was originally mastered.

When recording is complete, Delete the spike sometimes produced by the stylus making contact at the start of each side of the LP.

Set up a Plugin Chain this way in this order;

Click and Crackle Removal (More conservative, for vinyl recordings) > Graphic EQ (Really don't do much here, just roll off Freq's below 20 Hz and compensate for LPs cutting everything below 7 kHz by -3 dB) > Wave Hammer (using the preset 'Limit at -6 dB and maximize, change the maximizer's threshold to -4 dB and the output level to - 0.3 compressing just enough to compare to today's CDs). Save as a Preset chain called something like 'LP'.

Highlight the hottest part of the file either by visually looking at the waveform or using Tools > Statistics > Maximum Sample, open the Plugin Chainer, preview that selection adjusting the volume fader on the Graphic EQ until the peaks are as close to 0 db without going over in the input meter on the Wave Hammer Volume Maximizer page. This saves an extra process (normalize) on the data.

If there is no blank space between songs;

Place the cursor at the start of the audio in the file.

Press 'm' to insert a marker.

Press the spacebar to start playback.

Press 'm' again at the crossfade location to insert another marker. Repeat to the end.

Click Special > Regions List > Markers to Regions, when prompted click yes or OK.

In the Regions List window highlight a region click enter to edit name. Roxio supports CD-Text, Sound Forge does not nor does it support DAO. These names will appear as the song titles when burned with Roxio DAO.

Click tools > Extract Regions and save them to a folder and burn them all in your burning software using DAO (disk at once) to prevent spaces between tracks.


If you have blank space to eliminate between songs;

Press '[' at the start of the song.

Press spacebar to start playback.

Press ']' at the end.

Press 'r' to create region and name it.

Repeat to the end.

Fade heads and tails of each track

Click tools > Extract Regions and save them to a folder and burn them all in your burning software using DAO (disk at once).

END C&P

Some of it was in responce to the question posted, I didn't edit it but the method is there.

ADDED LATER;

I use a CDDB like freedb.org for the album to C&P all the track titles, much easier than reading off the album jacket and typing them all.

WMP will not read CD text, it wants to connect to a CDDB for the info and CD-Rs don't identify themselves correctly for this to work. The old SoFo Siren does though and it simply saves to cdplayer.ini but there again WMP can't read that either. I believe Winamp does and others too, even the old Win CD player did (cdplayer.ini) but the developers of WMP have a better idea.?.

MJ