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Tom Pauncz wrote on 8/7/2008, 7:23 AM
At its simplest, it looks like just plain keyframed text (the simple moving type). The others, just have 3D motion applied. All can be achieved with Vegas.
Tom
Former user wrote on 8/7/2008, 7:25 AM
If I was doing it, I would create the type in PHOTOSHOP (or comparable) and bring in the graphic as a whole as well as the individual elements (words). Then animate in VEGAS. Vegas is not good for creating the type.

But After Effects would probably be a better tool to animate (although I know some may disagree) because that is the type of stuff it was designed to do.

But Vegas can do the animation fine. Using various tracks for each element allows you to bring them off and on at different times.

Dave T2
farss wrote on 8/7/2008, 7:42 AM
If one can believe the comments to the video it took one night with AE. You could potentially knock it up in Vegas just as quickly except what really shines in that work is the craftsmanship and that's where I think you'd find doing it with Vegas would take way longer and you'd get very frustrated.
What Vegas does is everytime you adjust anything in a composite it recalcs everything. Start getting lots of layers and parenting going on and you wait seconds for a frame to render just to see what difference what you've changed has made.
In all fairness Vegas was never designed to be a full on compositing app and what we get is pretty damn good value for the money. So no, no shortcuts in Vegas or AE for that matter.
Bob.
JohnnyRoy wrote on 8/7/2008, 7:44 AM
Two words:

ProType Titler!

This is *extremely* simply to do in Vegas Pro. No need for photoshop or after effects. ProType Titler has this built-in already. You can reveal words a character at a time, a word at a time, or a line at a time. Just go to the Layout tab and keyframe the Selection parameter. Add 3D track motion and you're done. You could easily duplicate that video in little more time than it would take you to type in all the words as titles. Easy peasy. As Bob said, the compositing would take the longest lining things up.

~jr
Former user wrote on 8/7/2008, 7:53 AM
JR,

This would indeed be the way to go if Pro Type does all this. I do not have it.

Dave T2
erikd wrote on 8/7/2008, 8:04 AM
The original post that displays the example just shows up as a largely blank post for me. My IE Browser says (1 item remaining) but it never opens. Any ideas what I need to do to see the example?

Erik
riredale wrote on 8/7/2008, 8:09 AM
Can you see any videos on YouTube? Maybe you can go to Adobe and download Flash Player.
birdcat wrote on 8/7/2008, 8:19 AM
Thanks everyone - I have Spot's book - Just need the time to read it (at least the chapter on ProType Titler).

Great help!
TheHappyFriar wrote on 8/7/2008, 8:38 AM
yes, protype, and if you're one who likes to knock you head against a wall, do it all in 1 protype event. :D Can be done but since it's impossible to sort tracks, it will be a major pain. Multiple protype events will be the best. You can animate individual paragraphs, words & letters however you want in protype.

Could be done with a text event, 3d track motion & pan/crop masking too. Not sure which would be easier though.
Laurence wrote on 8/7/2008, 9:18 AM
The original post that displays the example just shows up as a largely blank post for me. My IE Browser says (1 item remaining) but it never opens. Any ideas what I need to do to see the example?

Yeah, go to the Forum Settings and check the tab that says "Show images and videos in forum messages."

Then try again and you should see embedded video and pictures within forum posts.
MUTTLEY wrote on 8/7/2008, 9:59 AM
I was inspired by this and a couple others like it on Vimeo (one of which some might remember I was threatened with getting banned from this forum for) and gave it a try. What I came up with looked decent but not near as good and was pretty tedious. One of the big hurdles that I see is that ProType's timeline doesn't interact with the the Vegas timeline and makes timing more then a little difficult. Honestly, when working in ProType I find this more than a little annoying at times.

- Ray
Some of my stuff on Vimeo
www.undergroundplanet.com
Avanti wrote on 8/7/2008, 10:01 AM
If you don't have Pro titler, no problem you don't need it to do this with vegas "regular" text titler. Just type text using keyframes, and a combination of "placement" and the type of keyframes selected. You may also use track motion as well if needed.
TheHappyFriar wrote on 8/7/2008, 10:49 AM
One of the big hurdles that I see is that ProType's timeline doesn't interact with the the Vegas timeline and makes timing more then a little difficult

Yeah, one of the things that stop protype from being 100% awesome in my book. I'll still mess with it's shortcomings because it's great to use, but if V9 includes MAJOR protype upgrades, odds are I'll break my "every other version" upgrade cycle & get that one. :)
erikd wrote on 8/7/2008, 10:57 AM
<<Can you see any videos on YouTube? Maybe you can go to Adobe and download Flash Player. >>

I went to YouTube and it worked fine. I came back to this thread and all of sudden the clip shows up but it says it is no longer available. I was curious to see what everyone was talking about.

Erik
Terry Esslinger wrote on 8/7/2008, 12:34 PM
Just looked at it. Came up fine!
FrigidNDEditing wrote on 8/7/2008, 4:03 PM
tested this just a short couple of sentences in Vegas with the PTT.

Would work great apart from the way the center function works. You cannot just create a nice big bunch of text and then spin it at different points, and while you can keyframe "center" by activating the swirly, you can only select presets and not create several custom keyframes. When you do make changes in that center keyframe, it's a hard jump as soon as it arrives to that keyframe, it doesn't move the center point gradually over time.

What I wouldn't give for a virtual camera in Vegas sometimes, it would honestly give you the ability to do so much of what we want in terms of compositing and fill the one real gap in their sweet of products.

so as long as you don't do any rotation, PTT works great for this, just layout your text by typing one long string and then positioning each individual word where you want it, and then just activate keyframes to animate the movements that you want to have recorded, and go to it. If you want to rotate, you're gonna get some ugly levels of work, and you should probably look at a compositing tool that can support that kind of work.

Dave

(the only real workaround would be to put each direction of text in a separate line, but that becomes a pain when placing your text, however, as long as you made sure the center positions overlapped, you might be able to get it to work that way, haven't tested so my logic maybe wrong).