Latest Vid, quick question, and always love feedback ...

MUTTLEY wrote on 7/2/2003, 3:56 PM

Eh all, just back after a long crash, reformat, and reinstall. Happy to announce that I just finished my first actual PAID music video !!! * YIPPIE* It was shot in two hours ( three with set up ) and edited in two long days. I wanted to share it with all you kids as if it wasn't for these forums and you members I never woulda been able to figure this out all on my own, all you regs have helped me more than you will ever know.

My one question is that there is a noticeable black line along the left side during some of the vid. ( Not the residual from the television effect, though that's annoying too, but the solid black along the left ) I'm 99% certain that this was from footage from my Sony GV-D900 and not my XL1. It's not noticeable on TV playback but when rendering for the web everything shows. The only solution I can think of without knowing the cause is to use pan and crop on the entire vid to get rid of it. I'm certain there's a reason and a better solution, would love some input.

Hope it loads quick for ya, would love to hear what ya think, and again, thanks to everyone who participates in this forum, I'm indebted to you all.

Here ya go:

http://www.undergroundplanet.com/trephigh.htm

- Ray

ray@undergroundplanet.com
www.undergroundplanet.com

Comments

swampler wrote on 7/2/2003, 4:37 PM

It's always something like that video that makes me feel like such an amateur...oh wait, I am. Great job Muttley. Very creative.

SatanJr wrote on 7/2/2003, 4:50 PM

I can't play that movie, is there some way you can set it up to not stream?

but as far as the black edge thing goes, I got some footage that was shot on an XL1 and I noticed a thing black edge on the side too. The XL1 tape I captured is the only time I have noticed that.

dat5150 wrote on 7/2/2003, 4:56 PM

Great job! Congratulations...you deserve it.

MUTTLEY wrote on 7/3/2003, 11:44 AM

MUTTLEY wrote on 7/3/2003, 12:15 PM

Thanks guys, gladja liked it. No fun doing something and having no one see it. =)

SatanJr, here's a direct link though I don't know how to make it a link in here so you can right click and " Save Target As " ... anyone help ?

As for the black line, I'm pretty sure it was from the Sony, not the Canon.

www.undergroundplanet.com/media/video/Trepenation - Sanctify ( High).wmv

- Ray

ray@undergroundplanet.com
www.undergroundplanet.com

dvdude wrote on 7/3/2003, 5:26 PM

OK - I'm just going to have to resist the urge to put away my Pana 952 and take up painting or something........

Seriously - Nice Work! Loved the shots down the guitar neck. The black lines thing was wearing a bit thin after a while but, no, really. REALLY cool! Hope they appreciate it.

Andy

MUTTLEY wrote on 7/3/2003, 6:42 PM

Whelp, ya got me laughing. =P

Mainly dirtied up the vid with the kinda extreme TV static look to hide the fact that that was the cheap cam, didn't want to much of it to look " camcorder ". Just debuted the vid to the band last night, they musta watched it twenty times before I hadta bail, I'd say their pretty stoked.

Anyone got any clue about the solid black line along the left side I mentioned ?

Thanks again guys, your far to kind.

- Ray

ray@undergroundplanet.com
www.undergroundplanet.com

grock wrote on 7/3/2003, 7:03 PM

It will not play in Mozilla but on explorer maybe that will help

PhilinCT wrote on 7/3/2003, 7:29 PM

Nice work!
I pondered your selections, and liked the style.
Phil

Luxo wrote on 7/3/2003, 8:57 PM

Nice one, Ray. I hope you're submitting something to the 90-day contest.

The black line you mentioned is unfortunately a common elelment of camcorder footage. I've seen it before, though I can't say for sure if our XL1s' exhibit it or not. I'm sure you're aware of this, but the reason it doesn't show up on television is because it falls into the overscan region. That being the region outside the outer rectangle of the "safe area" you can toggle in the Vegas preview. Camera manufacturers allow such flaws to occur because they'd never be seen on a television. Digitized and streaming renders are not taken into account.

Frankly, most people won't pay any attention to it (just look at your feedback so far). But if you want to get rid of it, yes, you can either crop the culprit clips or the entire project (though there's no easy way of doing the latter in Vegas -- perhaps frameserve the project to VirtualDub, or another instance of Vegas for that matter).

Again, great work, especially for a 2-day edit. Well lit too -- must have made for a tricky exposure. How did you get the strobe effect?

MUTTLEY wrote on 7/3/2003, 10:03 PM

Thanks Luxo, ayup was aware of the " safe area " but always gotta start with the obvious. Usally I render my whole projects, once edited, to one big AVI so cropping the whole thing from there wouldn't be a problem. Just one less step I would like to take and doing that would add to the render time.

Thought of doing the contest, just been to busy to think of something worthwhile.

Exposure wasn't to much of a hassle, got a nice Lowell lighting kit and the room was completely black carpeted, a rehearsal room at a music studio here in town. First wanted a huge space so that it would be all black but the room they found worked nice. The smoke machine did a lot to carry the light and give a nice gloss to it.

As for the strobe effect ... hate ta say it but, I used a strobe. =P

Thanks again Luxo !!!

- Ray

ray@undergroundplanet.com
www.undergroundplanet.com

AlohaMike wrote on 7/4/2003, 1:02 AM

Gotta tell ya, I enjoyed the video so much I doubt I wouldn't have noticed the black line if you hadn't said something about it. What can i say, you put together an awesome video for those guys!

Grazie wrote on 7/4/2003, 1:24 AM

Hiyah! I'd really like to see the vid - but it don't connect - 404 error . . .

Grazie

MUTTLEY wrote on 7/4/2003, 1:35 AM

Thankly dankly Aloha, super duper glad ya liked it * in best Ned Flanders voice *. =P

Grazie, not sure what the deal is, didja copy/past the link ? Seems to be working for most and I just checked it here and no probs. Your not on dial up are ya ? Timing out ? As your such a staple here I realy would like you to get a chace to see it. Lemme know if you have any other ideas.

http://www.undergroundplanet.com/trephigh.htm

- Ray

ray@undergroundplanet.com
www.undergroundplanet.com

starixiom wrote on 7/4/2003, 2:19 AM

Yeah, im having problems as well. I went to the link you posted and just waited. I left my computer download for about a hour now and it just keeps on saying be patient while it downloads. Im on a cable connection and generally 40mb qt file takes about 15 minutes or so. I dont know how big your file is but all i can see is the Windows Media Player Splash Screen that shows its downloading. Is there a page where you can right click and do a "save as" to your hard drive?

Thanks.

MUTTLEY wrote on 7/4/2003, 11:25 AM

Sorry guys, not sure what the deal is. Must be a bandwidth thing though I've never had any problems before. I've added a link just below the vid so you can download it, lemme know how it works out for ya.

http://www.undergroundplanet.com/trephigh.htm

- Ray

ray@undergroundplanet.com
www.undergroundplanet.com

L25 wrote on 7/4/2003, 2:46 PM

I did not notice the side margin squiggle until you mentioned it. From an esthetic standpoint, I thought it was a bit long for a live music video, but very impressive work! BTW, how do you make the video play in it's own viewer, as opposed to launching the win media player?

MUTTLEY wrote on 7/4/2003, 3:06 PM

The " bit long " wasn't my fault, I didn't write it. =)

I actually did cut a little from the front and end for the Austin Music Network which will be showing it. Felt the same way but hadta consult the band first.

I actually do 99.9% of my editing on an external Sony 15 inch monitor, couldn't imagine doing it any other way. PC monitors just don't give a good accurate representation of what it will look like on a TV. I got sic of rendering a whole project and playing it back on a television just to find that it was cropped wrong, color was wrong, was to dark etc etc etc. For example, I noticed that this vid, or the version that your seeing on the computer, is darker than it looks on a regular TV.

Hope that helps and thanks.

Grazie, you get it to work yet ?

- Ray

ray@undergroundplanet.com
www.undergroundplanet.com

24Peter wrote on 7/4/2003, 8:08 PM

Excellent work. The black line is probably (as was mentioned) due to a camera shooting less than 720X480. My DVX 100 is about three or four pixels shy on the right side and maybe one or two pixels down the left leaving a little bit of blackness on both sides. TV safe covers this on a television. Pan/crop is the answer for web video.

I could guess, but how'd you create the brightness/glow bludge that trails down each shot?

L25 wrote on 7/4/2003, 10:29 PM

I once asked about preparing vid for the web, DSE replied "Crush blacks, reduce saturation, crop at least 5% of the original clip/video".

MUTTLEY wrote on 7/5/2003, 12:42 AM

Thanks Peter, and the effect is just " TV Simulator " tweaked a bit.

L25, not sure what " Crush blacks .. " means but the rest now seems like sound advice.

- Ray

ray@undergroundplanet.com
www.undergroundplanet.com

L25 wrote on 7/5/2003, 9:56 AM

I do not know exactly either, it has to do with changing black gamma and changing shadow detail. crushing the black makes blacker blacks and less shadow detail which would save bandwidth for the web.

I will post a new question.

MUTTLEY wrote on 7/5/2003, 8:19 PM

Thanks L25, read their reply but still don't get it. =)

I will be taking the other advice before I officially post the vid on my site, thanks all for the tips and feedback.

- Ray

ray@undergroundplanet.com
www.undergroundplanet.com