As people have said in that thread, I think a lot of it is simply to do with us ('the users') wanting Vegas to be a successful and credible product. In this notoriously stubborn and fickle industry, I would have thought it's hard trying to convince audio people (many of whom have been using Pro Tools for years) that a product called 'Vegas VIDEO' is audio orientated or indeed a serious piece of software.

Ben

As people have said in that thread, I think a lot of it is simply to do with us ('the users') wanting Vegas to be a successful and credible product. In this notoriously stubborn and fickle industry, I would have thought it's hard trying to convince audio people (many of whom have been using Pro Tools for years) that a product called 'Vegas VIDEO' is audio orientated or indeed a serious piece of software.

Ben

Besides , calling it Vegas Video shows us where the focus of advances and development while be, right?

As i said in another thread its not up to us the users to make sure we dont mention the Video part....

A lot of my clients have their own little project studio and most of them are aware that Vegas is a VIDEO app, at least its marketed as such.
:)

Here is a link to a message that I posted a while back:

http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=92629

Doug

you know one EYE opening thing for SF to see is Vegas' stature on IRC. Sometimes I suggest vegas in the audio channel for something and people say " the video app?" or THE BEST " You can use plugins in it ? "

some say vegas is a toy "look at it, its so simple. No MIDI, No ASIO No VST"

of course their " simple " is my "sensible"

not that theyve ever really tired it

or look on a board like KVR VST

Vegas has NO presence. Conversations can go like this: " Wow did you guys hear that no more logic on the PC? Now there is no competition for Steinberg except cakewalk"

sheesh

lets change this

there are audio features we need that would elevate vegas unquestionably above all other apps. The cubendo rep here gets REALLY angry when I complain that " I'd love to use cubendo, but it takes me sometimes 2 to 10 times as long to do basic editing in cubendo as in vegas. In Vegas I use ONE tool 99.99999999999999999% of the time while in cubendo I gotta switch back and forth like mad."

but it doesnt matter

the cubendo user will say " well how the !@@#$ are you supposed to hear yourself and how can you punch ?"

you have to tell em " Y - cord "

and thats all she wrote, vegas lost another potential customer

You make some good points. The biggest implementation I'd like to see is the ability to import OMF files. This is the single biggest Pro Audio improvement they could make, IMHO.

Of course automated FX, master envelopes, etc are all cool, too. But I see alot of that coming in Vegas 4.

The bottom line, though, is that Vegas is what it is. Insiders and users like us know it rocks in many ways. And we knew going into it that there were some perception problems in the marketplace. But it's a trade-off. If you want what Vegas offers, at the price point it's available for, this is what you get. Wanna pay 10x as much and get a name-brand app...go for it.

Plus. if SF changes the Vegas' name, it won't suddenly give it credibility in the industry. It will then be seen as a new, unproven commodity. Of course, Pro Tools was new and unproven once, too! :-)

I, for one, am a huge SF fan...I like the way they do things, I like the way they think, I like their product lines. I have actually gone out of my way to let them know about some of our bigger projects we've done here using Vegas so they can use these stories in their PR.

We did Debra Soule's new album which is has absolutely amazing production: www.debrasoule.com

And then Debra wrote a song called "Angel Kisses" which was featured on Dateline NBC and the Today Show. That was also recorded and mixed here on Vegas: www.angelkisses.org

I've scored and mixed and provided sound design for 2 feature length indie films "One Day in May" and "The Calling" -- all done in Vegas. We've done four epsidoes so far of a children's animated video series called "Ewe Know". Songs, underscore and sound FX produced here using Vegas.

I mention these projects simply to point out that Vegas IS a serious player in the Pro Audio world. Other music houses, and even some video houses may raise an eyebrow, but the end client doesn't care! It sounds great and they're happy! They don't care if it's called CHEESEBURGER PRO AUDIO 4.0.

:-)
Rob

I tend to agree with you, RobSoul.

I'd rather SF work on functionality. The name of the app is a marketing decision. And let's face it: there's more activity in the Video forum than the Audio one.

I personally couldn't care what it's called, and it's really none of the client's business what program I use. If they don't like it they can turn away and listen to the output from the mains and then decide if I'm worth working with.

Cheers,
D

I have always found SF very responsive to contructive suggestions. I've seen at least 4 suggestions of mine implemented. And I suspect there may be a pleasant surprise around the corner that makes it clear that SF DOES take notice of it's customers pleas.

I think the focus is that SoFo recognize that audio users still use their product and would like to see new features implemented with us in mind. I would like to continue to use Vegas in the future no matter what its called but the name indicates where future innovation seems to be directed. Acid 4.0 got a major facelift which greatly improves its functionality (assuming all the bugs have been worked out) I would like to see similar improvements happen with Vegas.