LockingUp during Render and Red Screen

Zelkien69 wrote on 5/12/2007, 5:40 AM
Here's my setup. Intel E6600 @2.4 GHZ DuoCore, 4 Gig Corsair 800MHZ Ram, 160GB Seagate 3MB SATA system Drive, 640GB Seagate Raid 0 (2x 320GB Drives), ATI X1900XTX 512MB (Iknow it doesn't help vegas)and the computer system runs lower than 44Cel and the CPU lower than 40Cel under load (Zalman Colling System. The computer is locking up for multiple reasons on one particular veg file which is one complete capture of a HDV file from a Canon XH-A1 that is 40-50clips total. The computer has completely locked up requiring a hard reboot repeatedly while trying to render an Uncompressed Quicktime file in multiple formats (at the same percentage each time), Locked up when trying to render uncompressed AVi File, locked up while applying filters (minor color correction--fire your cameraman if he white balances with the ND filter on), and the latest is the red screen of death while previewing with a resulting locked up Vegas program. I have defragged, turned on a spyware and system scanner and turned it off again after use, ran EnditAll2 after restarting the comp, and had absolutely no probelms before with the same workflow. I Have worked 10-15 hours of footage without any problems in the past. I really need help as the project is due on Wed......Any ideas?????

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Former user wrote on 5/12/2007, 5:43 AM
Possible heat problem?

Dave T2
Don Whitten wrote on 5/12/2007, 5:56 AM
Heat or power supply problem.
Zelkien69 wrote on 5/12/2007, 7:35 AM
Just to note, I'm using 7.0e. Also, the question of a heat problem seems unlikely since I'm running at less than 45Cel across the board. i guess I'll try the power supply. Its a 500W antec approx 1 year old....any more suggestions? I just recaptured the clip and I'm getting the same problem. I'm going to try an old clip I've already worked to see if it happens again. Thanks for the input.
Zelkien69 wrote on 5/12/2007, 7:44 AM
No problems at all with other captured clips. I just went back to a different capture same project and had 0 problems previewing, rendering, or scrubbing.
johnmeyer wrote on 5/12/2007, 8:28 AM
I doubt it is heat related. That tends to show up more on Vegas renders, and it sounds like you were having it during preview as well, unlikely to be heat.

Since your capture was HDV, was the tape upon which you captured ever used for DV? I can guarantee that any mixing of DV and HDV on the same tape will cause major problems, although usually during the capture process. You will get the hardest, beyond-blue-screen-of-death, crash you've ever experienced. Real nasty stuff.

Also, I have long suspected some slight memory leak in my computer, but I can't pin it down, and it probably isn't Vegas. However, re-booting, and then immediately running Vegas often helps.

So, my suspicion is that the capture was faulty in some way. BTW, the solution to any situation where you have DV and HDV on the same tape is to start the HDV capture a little way into the HDV, thus losing a little head, and stop the capture before the end of the HDV clip. Crossing any HDV to DV boundary will render the clip useless.

Also, I still have problems with the HDV scene detection, which it sounds like you were using. If this happens again, try turning that off, or using HDV Split to capture. Capture, like titling, has never been one of Vegas' strengths.

Zelkien69 wrote on 5/12/2007, 9:21 AM
I purchase new tapes for each event. Sony DVM-63HD or DVM-85HD. Specifically for the reason you mentioned. It's expensive $10 to $20 per tape, but I try to prevent problems like what I'm having. What is memory leak? I'm trying everything i can right now as I really need the footage. It was a wedding and a redo isn't happening.
Zelkien69 wrote on 5/12/2007, 2:24 PM
What are the specifics of Dynamic Ram Preview and how it relates to system performance and function. Also the same question for Render threads. I assume with my setup I turn everything on and go all out. I really shouldn't be limited with my system specs...maybe we need 7.0f or 8.0...like tomorrow.
Robertf wrote on 5/12/2007, 2:53 PM
Hi Zelkien69
I'm having similar problems. I've been working on three projects, one in SD and two in HDV. Everything was working flawlessly until I downloaded and installed the Vegas 7.0e update, after which crashes would occur spontaneously during previews and attempted renders. I'm lucky to get 10mins work done before it crashes. My computer is 3.0GHz dual core, 2Gb RAM with ATI4800XL card. The system shouldn't be the problem. The fact that the crashes only started occurring straight after updating from 7.0d to 7.0e makes me think that the update has a bug.
Any suggestions from anyone?
Zelkien69 wrote on 5/12/2007, 3:20 PM
Try this....Dynamic RAM preview to 0...yes it will be disabled and threads from 4 to 2. It worked for me...When I tried turning it back up to 768 or 512MB RAM it started crashing agian. Sony really wants me to buy the new Adobe suite don't they!!!!
teaktart wrote on 5/12/2007, 4:05 PM
This all sounds way too familiar to me too! All of the above.

I finally gave up and took my CPU to the repair shop and they found in my case a bad graphics card ( I have 2 cards for 3 monitors)
I ended up replacing both cards and upgrading to a pair of
"BFG NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT OC 256MB PCIe " cards which have HDTV output ability so maybe its an unexpected investment for the near future....

The tech guy also changed my page file setting to 6172mb (I have 4 GB of RAM) on my C: drive and chose to make the "Processor scheduling== adjust for best performance of the Programs"
and
Memory usage to "adjust for the best performance of : Programs"

(R click "MyComputer/Properties/Advanced/Performance settings/Advanced/Processor scheduling and Memory Usage/Virtual Memory...Change ")

OK,
Hope those settings were good choices.....

So now I'm curious about what Dynamic Ram preview settings others here are using that make things work smoothly?

I have had mine set at 1024 for Ram preview with
4 threads
I have no idea what the 'threads' means or how to set it (i just used default)

If changing any of these would improve performance, I'm ready!

I rendered a pretty simple project with CFDIs and some FX on the audio and my 10 min. project took over 4 hrs to render to 1080i avi/best and processor was running 97-100% which doesn't seem very good.

I pushed my luck in opening several other apps like internet searching, email, and things opened pretty quick so that was nice and I opened another instance of V 7e and that worked OK. but I'm troubled by how much processor is being used for a simple render not to mention the extraordinarily long time it took. Finished rendering ok, but I expected better....

Your results different???? settings suggestions we could all use?

Curious,
Teaktart
Robertf wrote on 5/12/2007, 9:26 PM
I tried everything suggested to no avail. Just didn't work for me, so I uninstalled 7.0e and reinstalled 7.0b from my installation disk that came with the program and it works perfectly. Rock solid stability! I'd say that there has to be a problem with the 7.0e update.
Many thanks to Zelkien69 and teaktart for giving your time to help out.
Best wishes, guys.