Maybe when Macs have more than 4% of the market. A better question may be why do you insist on using a Mac when it is clearly a Windows world?

Because windoze blows. Once you go mac, you never go back. Don't knock it til you rock it, man. Clearly, you've never tried an apple in your life. Keep conforming, man... see where it gets you. Macs are for thinkers, so keep your pc.

I hope this thread wasn't started just open a flaming war. That is of no value.

I am not a rep for SF in any way. I will offer my opinion. SF has been known for providing superior audio production tools for a broad user base with almost complete hardware compatability within the Intel/PC structure. Non-hardware specific production software is a mighty challenge and they filled that gap. I doubt that left them any time to consider all new software to support the MAC/Risc platforms. That is especialy true with the smaller number of units out there and such excellent audio production tools already available for the Mac platform. There was a crying need in the Intel community for tools. Vegas Video also came from SF and filled the gap for generic hardware compatable video editing that was both powerful, yet intuitive in its interface.

I would hope that SF retains their focus on developing for the Intel/PC platform and builds on the solid code base that they have. Unlike a word processor application that ports from one platform to the next relatively easily, audio and video applications do not. It would require too much energy and loss of focus for too little return for them to start a new code base for Macs. IMHO

As for audio production for your Mac, Digi-design has the best tools in the industry for your platform. The new 001 series is like an 8 channel Protools on steriods and resonablely priced. You might take a look at it. Most feature films are cut on Protools and I think you will find it great. The new smaller series is great for small studio or home production with Midi, analog and digital interfaces.

Happy production!

Keith

lol, I started audio editing on a MAC with Pro Tools and Sound Designer II and also learned Cubase VST, Studio Vision, and Peak. I now use my PC exclusively for audio and midi, and dread having to work on a MAC ever again. Ever work with the effienciency of the Righ click function on a PC?....oh forgot it's Cntrl-Click for you or Option-Click(a two handed uncomfortable operation at that). You're definitely in the wrong forum when you say something like "when is Sonic Foundry gonna get with the program and develop for MAC?" The better question is "When are you gonna get with the program and buy a PC?"

If you want Mac support then goto the Pro Tools or Digital Performer forums....oh forgot MOTU doesn't offer it's MAC people a forum.

I bet for the price you paid for that G4, I could build 2 PC's, where I could run Vegas strictly for video editing on 1 and another instance of Vegas just for audio editing on the other and sync them both up perfectly and you wouldn't be able to match that kind of power on your single MAC.

I think it boils down to a simple dollars and cents issue. Most major software houses don't write for the Mac OS anymore, simply because there isn't enough of a customer base to make it profitable. So it seems to be a simple business decission. Should you write applications for the platform that 90+% of the public uses, or try to carve yourself a little nitch for the miniscule Mac market or something ever smaller like BeOS. Of course you could write for both, few companies do anymore.

Steve Jobs made a HUGE mistake when he started Apple. I'd wager his decision was based at least partly on greed. Picking a closed architecture verses IBM going the open architecture route and that decision creating the flood of IBM clones that followed along with an entire cottage industry was obviously the better choice for the consumer.

If Apple in the early days didn't flood schools with Apples, practically giving them away, they wouldn't even have the 4-6% market share they do have. Even if you consider the Mac OS equal or superior, (I don't) what's the point if hardly anyone buys a Mac?

Steve Jobs didn't make a huge mistake when he started Apple, he made a huge mistake when he made it:
Inaccessible to developers of competitive hardware
Hardware based rather than software
Too expensive
Non-competitive when Windows 98 hit the street. Mac was undeniably the best computer.....6 years ago.
Owning a G4, Quadra950 (W/protools 4.0 on it and it's what chased me to a PC) and 11 PC's gives me a good view of both platforms. Mac is in the dust, and can never recover the market space.

Hello

>Mac is in the dust, and can never recover the market >space

I have a Pc and Mac.

The Mac's are well engineering, very good desing (I love my iBook), good components, and powerfull (G4 rendering mpeg2 are fastest than any actual Pc).

The new OS, the X, is a great sucess in the computer market, is a OPEN OS (The core is GNU), and is a far better than Microsoft OS (Is a domestic Unix). I use the Win/Pc because I like the applications like Vegas. If Sonic Foundry comes to Pc Linux/Unix plataform or OSX, I change the same day my OS.

Best Regards

Did you only read my first sentence in that paragraph then stop? I said basically what you said now. LOL!

(G4 rendering mpeg2 are fastest than any actual Pc)
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Dream on.
Render a one hour clip of quicktime to MPEG2 with the quicktime being 720x480 or even 640x480. Post your times. I'll bet at least a dozen users here will post better times.
Macs do look better, I agree. OSX is a mess. I have it on one machine, and have been not using that machine just because of the hassles. I laughed my ass off watching Adobe's demo of 5.5 on OSX, the "uncrashable operating system" at DV Expo. Demo ran fine on the PC using XP. The days of Apple's superiority are over. Women once couldn't wear jeans. Seatbelts used to be optional. The internet used to run at 2.4 baud. Beta was a better format than VHS. Marketing changed all these things. Apple has no marketing sense, even though their building covers are cool.

I read it...just at the time took it to mean that starting Apple was a mistake, not that he made *mistakes*. Hey, it was late, I was hungry, typed fast and read faster....

I think that SF won't right for the MAC because Microsoft has them by the testicles.

I belive that SF has been behind a number of Windows based develpments (though not sure) such as the Windows media player etc... Oh and possibly (hopefully) .DLS downloadable sounds.

I use PC's, but I use them because I grew up with them.
(after my Amstrad CPC!)

I like the idea of a mac - one computer company governs the majority of the hardware inside a machine, and writes the operating system for it. In theory, it should be fantastically stable, as there is a much more limited variety of hardware inside macs that developers have to cope with.

The problem is that they are too expensive, and the software... is good but not what I am used to.. and I know PC's inside out, can repair them etc.. I have no need to change.

Much as I hate them.

now.. if mLAN comes out... one driver for a soundcard should fit ALL programs... so it's bound to be right!

that's the theory - no more PCI digital audio cards, just a hardware box we plug in (like the 828 except with a generic driver)

but guess what..? MAC gets it first because it is heavily respected in terms of audio production (no thanks to Windows leaving the audio-visual crew behind the times.)But at least PC's are catching up.. slowly

Jason

I think a Mac version of VV would be awesome. Apple helped launch the DV revolution and Final Cut Pro has quickly become second only to Avid as the NLE of choice here in Hollywood. The Mac users I know may never use a PC, they are Apple freaks and just won't change, but they would use programs like Acid, SoundForge and Vegas is a heartbeat if they were available on the Mac.

Although Apple has a shrinking customer base, digital artists, creators etc. still think that you must use a Mac to do creative things. There are still millions of Mac users and I would welcome them into the Vegas family in a heartbeat.

For the record, MPEG2 transcoding (encoding is only done in hardware) is much faster on a dual 800 G4 using Quicktime 5 Pro, but you gotta spend at least $4,000 to set one up. I can buy a lot of PC goodies with four grand!

Sorry, McVegas will never be released.

SF - I'm OK with that. I'll keep working on my Mac buddies.