Making 3D movies

sguandal@gmail.com wrote on 4/8/2013, 5:57 PM
I am still having unresolved issues when trying to burn a 3D BluRay. Here is what I tried:
1) Import 3D files from Sony Handycam HDR-TD30V (that are seen beautifully on a 3D-TV plus 3D glasses straight from the camcorder) into Vegas Pro 12.0;
2) In file > Properties choose stereoscopic 3D mode: Blend (also tried interlace, left/right full size); Template Custom 1280x720 frame rate 24p or Template Custom (1920x1080, 23.976 fps)
3) Render as: tried Sony HD EX 1280x720 or Windows Media Video 4.8Mbps HD 720-24p Video 5.1 surround or (for higher resolution) Sony AVCHD 1920x1080 60i - 5.1 Surround
4) Import into DVD Architect 6.0 and burn BluRay.

Nothing works!!! The images are not 3D at all, and the audio is either OK or creates a deafening hum. Help please!

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nsbma wrote on 4/8/2013, 9:50 PM
You should use MVC templates - you can see that they have 2 video streams in the format description.
sguandal@gmail.com wrote on 4/8/2013, 10:17 PM
Thanks. But in their MVC templates is the AVCHD that I used....
nsbma wrote on 4/8/2013, 10:21 PM
MVC rendering creates a pair of files which are main and dependent views. You need to import main view (*.avc) file info DVD Architect 6.0 project - it will load dependent view itself.
nsbma wrote on 4/8/2013, 10:28 PM
Also what I found out when worked with 60i to 24P conversion - I used Sony HDR-TD10 footage - then 2 step process creates better motion presentation. Two steps mean that you render left and right view to 24P separately and after that in a new project pairs the views and render it using MVC 1080/24p template. Resolution does not degradatre, but motion artifacts are much less if to compare with one step process when you render from time line directly to MVC.
Marton wrote on 4/9/2013, 1:13 AM
"Resolution does not degradatre"

How?
When you convert interlaced to progressive (deinterlace)
there is always a little resolution loss. Especially at motion.

I will try this two step method, but what can be the explanation rendering worse video with 1 step method?
nsbma wrote on 4/9/2013, 7:06 PM
Resolution does not degradate means that visually sharpness of static objects looks the same after 1 and 2 steps processes. I say visually because I didn't make any objective measurements. But if to look at moving pedestrians and cars, motion artifacts after 2 step process are less noticeable. May be one step process when Vegas converts 60i to 24P and after it immediately encoding streams to main and dependent view uses less accurate algorithm then 2 algorithms in 2 steps process. It will be interesting - you will confirm my results or not.
GregFlowers wrote on 5/5/2013, 4:32 PM
Nsbma,
Is it possible to take an 1080/60i MVC file from the Sony HDR-TD30V, edit it in Vegas, render back to 1080/60i MVC, save it to an SD card and play the file back through the camera to a 3d tv? In other words, can I retain the highest quality after editing by bypassing blu ray altogether and play edited material natively through the camera? Can the camera read and play an edited 1080/60i 3d file or is this a no go?
nsbma wrote on 5/7/2013, 9:36 PM
GregFlowers,
MVC templates has only 24p for 1080. I believe that you can render left and right views separately in 1080/60i, render sound, but after it you need some software - not Vegas - to join views and sound back to Sony m2ts format. May be new version of free Stereo Movie Maker can do it? The key point here is to create Sony compatible files.
Wolfgang S. wrote on 5/8/2013, 4:47 PM
I think you would need an MVC encoder that encodes the footage to 1080 50i/60i - and that is not available in Vegas really. So there is no way to playback edited footage with the TD10, 20, 30.

More, I do not see what would be the advantage to do that. If you wish to maintain the footage in 1080 50i/60i, one way would be to render the footage to a multistream file and use the AVCHD 2.0 standard to create an AVCHD 2.0 BD - what can playback 1080 50i/60i footage with AVCHD 2.0 compatible 3D-BD-player. Unfortunately, that cannot be created with Vegas - here you need other tools like Edius that allows to render such files.

For 1080 60i user, the easier workflow is to render to 1080 24p directly. For 1080 50i user, the best possible way is to edit in 1080 50i, and stretch the footage with deinterlacing to 1080 24p. Of you use a camera like the Z10000 that shoots in 1080 24p in a direct way.

Desktop: PC AMD 3960X, 24x3,8 Mhz * RTX 3080 Ti (12 GB)* Blackmagic Extreme 4K 12G * QNAP Max8 10 Gb Lan * Resolve Studio 18 * Edius X* Blackmagic Pocket 6K/6K Pro, EVA1, FS7

Laptop: ProArt Studiobook 16 OLED * internal HDR preview * i9 12900H with i-GPU Iris XE * 32 GB Ram) * Geforce RTX 3070 TI 8GB * internal HDR preview on the laptop monitor * Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K mini

HDR monitor: ProArt Monitor PA32 UCG-K 1600 nits, Atomos Sumo

Others: Edius NX (Canopus NX)-card in an old XP-System. Edius 4.6 and other systems

Seth wrote on 6/1/2013, 12:00 AM
Render side-by-side, and burn as usual. Not only will this be easier, but you'll also find that the resulting Blu-ray disc retains higher compatibility for various 3D players and tv's.